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TartanTyke

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New ref here, I've been reffing for my lads under 11s team but now currently doing my 5 games to get my level 7.

Had a double header yesterday. First one was under 11's, only a friendly so shouldn't have been too taxing but unfortunately the away teams parents had other ideas!

I ask the away team parents for a volunteer to be a CAR and a bloke takes the flag. I explain it's just ins and outs, nothing more than that and thank him for helping. Anyway, first half goes on and can hear him calling for fouls. I ignore him and stick to what I see, never oversteps the mark and just get on with it.

Second half, I call an offside against his team and this is when he gets in bother. He immediately steps on to the pitch and gets very animated when telling me it was on. He points to how the kids are stood, bearing in mind this is 10 or so seconds after the offence! I gesture to the away coach that he might want to have a word and he gives me a nod. Just about a minute later, play moves down towards him again and I hear him say to one of his players (later found to be his son) "go on, take his legs out". Immediately blew up and told him to put the flag down and move back behind the barrier. He then starts effing and blinding at me, home coaches and home parents. At that point he was asked to leave and he ended up watching the rest of the game from a distance. Luckily we've only 5 minutes left to play to we see it out and I just post an ER on WGS.

Second game was OA women's game. Went well in general. Only thing I found I struggled with was offsides and started second guessing myself. I tend to take the view of unless it's obvious, then I let play go on, but after a few tight calls I let go, I switched second half to calling it unless I can see someone is definitely playing them on. This then annoyed the away side that were doing the majority of the attacking (they were 4-0 up at half time).

Only other things of note was a throw in that all of the away side disagreed with, but my view was that it had hit the away players shin, given the direction of the ball and I stuck with it. The other one I possibly missed was a challenge between two players, ball bounced so it was a chest/head height 50/50. Away player goes in with her arm across her chest, almost as if to protect herself but she ended up catching the home player on the chin. Didn't look to me like she led with it so didn't give anything other than a drop ball when I stopped play for the injury. Home coaches obviously gave some sarcastic comments and said I should have blown.

Those were my second and third games towards my 5. I don't suppose anyone has any advice based on the above? Or do I just have to accept that grief is part of the job and I'm not going to get everything right!
 
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New ref here, I've been reffing for my lads under 11s team but now currently doing my 5 games to get my level 7.

Had a double header yesterday. First one was under 11's, only a friendly so shouldn't have been too taxing but unfortunately the away teams parents had other ideas!

I ask the away team parents for a volunteer to be a CAR and a bloke takes the flag. I explain it's just ins and outs, nothing more than that and thank him for helping. Anyway, first half goes on and can hear him calling for fouls. I ignore him and stick to what I see, never oversteps the mark and just get on with it.

Second half, I call an offside against his team and this is when he gets in bother. He immediately steps on to the pitch and gets very animated when telling me it was on. He points to how the kids are stood, bearing in mind this is 10 or so seconds after the offence! I gesture to the away coach that he might want to have a word and he gives me a nod. Just about a minute later, play moves down towards him again and I hear him say to one of his players (later found to be his son) "go on, take his legs out". Immediately blew up and told him to put the flag down and move back behind the barrier. He then starts effing and blinding at me, home coaches and home parents. At that point he was asked to leave and he ended up watching the rest of the game from a distance. Luckily we've only 5 minutes left to play to we see it out and I just post an ER on WGS.

Second game was OA women's game. Went well in general. Only thing I found I struggled with was offsides and started second guessing myself. I tend to take the view of unless it's obvious, then I let play go on, but after a few tight calls I let go, I switched second half to calling it unless I can see someone is definitely playing them on. This then annoyed the away side that were doing the majority of the attacking (they were 4-0 up at half time).

Only other things of note was a throw in that all of the away side disagreed with, but my view was that it had hit the away players shin, given the direction of the ball and I stuck with it. The other one I possibly missed was a challenge between two players, ball bounced so it was a chest/head height 50/50. Away player goes in with her arm across her chest, almost as if to protect herself but she ended up catching the home player on the chin. Didn't look to me like she led with it so didn't give anything other than a drop ball when I stopped play for the injury. Home coaches obviously gave some sarcastic comments and said I should have blown.

Those were my second and third games towards my 5. I don't suppose anyone has any advice based on the above? Or do I just have to accept that grief is part of the job and I'm not going to get everything right!

Sounds like you dealt with the first situation remarkably well for a new referee. Well done.

With regards to calling offsides, it's a totally bizarre split across the country where some referees are expected to get club assistants to only do ins and outs, some are expected to also get them to give offsides.
I take the view that there's very little point in them being there if they aren't giving offsides, but you should obviously follow the advice of your county FA.

Unfortunately, a little bit of grief is part of the job and you will never get everything right as you say, and even when you do get things right, you'll still get the grief. You'll learn in time from peoples reactions when the grief if unavoidable and when there are situations you could have managed it differently.

Well done, keep it up!
 
Well done for the way you handled the CAR. That’s something much more experienced referees have problems with, so to deal that confidently with it your second game is pretty impressive!

Offsides are difficult to do on your own, but there are tricks that can help.
A wider patrol path can give a good angle to see across the line better, and using markings on the pitch can also help - ie are the player’s feet further from the half way line than the opponent’s etc. You won’t get them all right, but you’ll get more right than wrong.
Another thing is to consider if your position sells your decision. If you’re standing 50 yards away and in a straight line from the players then no, but if you move closer / wider as you blow you can help fool players into thinking you had a better view than you really did.

However, players will still moan at decisions even when they’re totally correct. I did a line on a cup final last week and an attacker was absolutely awful at offsides. He was literally never onside when the ball was played to him, even though he was the quickest player on the pitch and could have given the defender 5 yards and still comfortably have beaten him to the ball. His Captain kept shouting at me to put the flag down even though he was the centre back so 50 - 60 yards away and at right angles to the line so there was no chance he could see.

Well done again and welcome
 
Cheers, I'm a little older than most new refs (37) so while I'm still building confidence, I have a half decent baseline that younger refs may not have! Being a coach too, I have zero tolerance for attitudes like that, particularly around younger age groups.

Offsides is definitely a challenge at the minute but I'm still working on my positioning. When a team is attacking down the right, I do move further over to that side and end up being pretty central when it's then played through, alternatively I end up too far away from play. I'm based in West Riding who go purely ins and outs but I'd love to outsource it!

If you are ever in doubt, is it best to let play run on or to call it back just in case? I had the theory of I'd rather have a dodgy offside than a dodgy goal but in practice, I'm blowing up pretty often and getting chat back from the attacking side.
 
Good advice above:)

On your own with offsides… the first time 2-3 defenders look like lemons standing appealing, after the play remind them ”guys I can’t help you if you stand there appealing… remember, play to the whistle… I try to see everything… I am not gonna guess for you.. keep playing!”

With a smile:)
 
Cheers, I'm a little older than most new refs (37) so while I'm still building confidence, I have a half decent baseline that younger refs may not have! Being a coach too, I have zero tolerance for attitudes like that, particularly around younger age groups.

Offsides is definitely a challenge at the minute but I'm still working on my positioning. When a team is attacking down the right, I do move further over to that side and end up being pretty central when it's then played through, alternatively I end up too far away from play. I'm based in West Riding who go purely ins and outs but I'd love to outsource it!

If you are ever in doubt, is it best to let play run on or to call it back just in case? I had the theory of I'd rather have a dodgy offside than a dodgy goal but in practice, I'm blowing up pretty often and getting chat back from the attacking side.
Positioning… when on your own you have to compromise… and you will learn how much you can run and when to take risks.

Best advice I had was:

practice the diagonal path already. Sure, you will sacrifice some ball in/out on the far side, but you will better positioning for offsides and it will become natural.

Vary position at corners. There’s not much point standing where the players can’t see you. So, when on your own, break the rules at corners.

And the big one, when you go, go. Don’t hedge. If the break is on, go. Then make corrections. You know football, so you can anticipate, keep up with play, get side on to high balls at the drop etc. Etc.
 
Much appreciated!

On my positioning, I tend to loosely follow the standard patrol path but drift across when a team are attacking the right so end up too square for an offside call. I always end up having a quick scan up and down which immediately costs me a second and potentially throws my decision out. I've got a couple more games planned in after Easter including an u18s game so can vary up my positioning a little to see what works.
 
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