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So, please distinguish whern he relinquishes control after his deliberate parry, is it a distance thing, or a timed thing or is it open season
 
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Sheffields Finest said:
So, please distinguish whern he relinquishes control after his deliberate parry, is it a distance thing, or a timed thing or is it open season
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I dunno to be honest. But your previous post says:

possession of the ball includes the goalkeeper deliberately parrying the
ball"

So, to me, that means that from the second he "parries" it, he's considered to be in possession of it and therefore I ask how can he be penalised for picking the ball up or holding it (cos it's the same thing) when he's already in possession of it?

I'll be honest, it's not something I've had cause to make a decision on before, but to penalise the GK after having stopped a shot from an opponent seems very strange to me...?

When I've had a few less ciders, ( sorry :D ) I'll consult a few colleagues and read up on the LOTG myself regarding this scenario but as it stands, the notion of penalising the GK for that feels a bit odd to me. :)
 
Sheffields Finest said:
Anyone ever given a FK for a clear 'parry' and pick up..... That can brighten up a cold November morning. Goalkeepers don't expect that one to be called! :)
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Yes several times. Every time after the game the keeper has said to me "I usually get away with that..."

I would add that at some levels I don't bother. Just not worth the hassle :)
 
Kes said:
Again mate, I may be being a bit thick here, but the GK has always been able to parry a shot from an opponent and then "pounce" on the ball or pick it up. Besides, there's contradiction in your post above. It says if the GK parries, he's considered to be "in possession" of the ball and therefore logic suggests that he hasn't actually yet released it and so is quite within his rights to collect after any "parry". .... :confused: :)
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No, technically he's not allowed to pounce on the ball. By parrying the ball the keeper has gained possession of the ball and immediately released that possession and so he is not allowed to pick it up.

The grey area is what is the difference between a save and a parry, for me it would have to be absolutely clear that the GK could very easily have caught the ball but decided not to in order to dribble around for a while until he is challenged and then pick up the ball. I would usually allow the "pouncing" as the law is designed to stop keepers wasting time and in this instance they are not, the reason they have parried is usually because they were not confident in making a clean catch and so this is more of a save than a parry.

Spirit of the game...
 
Kes said:
I dunno to be honest. But your previous post says:

possession of the ball includes the goalkeeper deliberately parrying the
ball"

So, to me, that means that from the second he "parries" it, he's considered to be in possession of it and therefore I ask how can he be penalised for picking the ball up or holding it (cos it's the same thing) when he's already in possession of it?

I'll be honest, it's not something I've had cause to make a decision on before, but to penalise the GK after having stopped a shot from an opponent seems very strange to me...?

When I've had a few less ciders, ( sorry :D ) I'll consult a few colleagues and read up on the LOTG myself regarding this scenario but as it stands, the notion of penalising the GK for that feels a bit odd to me. :)
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If the ball is bouncing through to the goalkeeper from a wayward pass by the opposition and it is at chest height if the goalkeeper deliberately stops the ball with his hands (instead of chesting it or otherwise controlling it with any other part of his body but his hands) then allows the ball to hit the floor and stay there he commits the offence if he then handles it a second time (picks it up) ie. waits for an attacker to close him down. This is a deliberate parry rather than examples you probably have in your head of a ball coming at him 100mph and he stops it with his hands before picking it up because here he had no choice but to use his hands to stop the ball - his second touch with his hands then becomes controlling the ball.
 
If you are going to give an IDK for a clear parry and pick up, you have to be ready to give one when a keeper bounces the ball!
 
Oh! So many years ago :D:D

'Parry' seems to me to be one of those things you should really go looking too hard for. IMO while the keeper does often seem to 'palm down' a shot that looked easy to catch, even one not overly hard, it could also be the keeper playing it safe (ie palming it down means there's no chance of fluffing a catch). I wouldn't call that.....would anybody?
But when you have a ball that's slowly bouncing to his chest from 40 yards away and he handles it to the ground, dribbles around then knocks it....or stops a ball going out for a GK/CK......
 
It used to be that bouncing wasn't explicitly mentioned!

But in any case, that would have to be one hell of an obvious parry to get a call from me!
 
Used to be that the LOTG were delivered by carrier pigeon too ;-)
Haha, I'm teasing. It's probably something you've seen plenty of times but because you just 'knew' it you never thought about how and where it's actually mentioned in the laws, if at all. i'm still surprised by the laws now and then, and been caught out on here a few times when I didn't realise something was included/excluded years ago. But I would agree on the 'obvious parry'.
 
There's me a thick Yorkie journeyman plodder out-nerding some of the top brains of the refereeing fraternity, well, this Parish anyway.... Never stop learning..... When you stop, you'll think you know everything, and you truly don't....
 
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McTavish said:
So does that mean that a GK can pick the ball up after parrying?
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No, what it means is that there is no such thing as parrying any more as far as the law is concerned. It's either a save, or it isn't.

The relevant parts of the wording (as far as a keeper making a save is concerned) are as follows:
An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:
touches the ball with the hands after [...] releasing it and before it has touched another player
[...]
A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball when: the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds accidentally from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
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I would take that to mean that after making a save (and assuming the ball does not remain between the hands or between the hand and any surface) the goalkeeper is not considered to have released the ball (since he did not have control of the ball in the first place) so the prohibition on touching it again before another player has done so, would not apply.

I don't think this will really change anything much in the way most referees would handle the situation, it's just that the word "parrying" doesn't appear in the laws any more.
 
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I don't actually think it's a law change. Just a rewording. A parry = not control is no different to not even mentioning parry. In fact, I think this change helps clarify things.
 
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