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Just a little pull.....

mikedn

mikedn

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Player has the ball running just inside the penalty area , defender gives just a little tug on his shirt ( by his waist) i say and do nothing as the player is still running and with possession of the ball has a shot at goal and the keeper finger tips the ball over for a corner.
Player turns round and says " where's my penalty then?" I said "what for? you had the ball you shot on goal you missed, the split second tug on your shirt did not affect your run or shot " ....... he kept on whinging at me and got a yellow for his troubles...... i was happy with my decision..... happy days
 
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So did you judge it a foul or not?
If not, correct result, if it was then you played an advantage and should have indicated this and told the player so.............but was it really a better advantage than a penalty?
The old adage applies here, don't play an advantage in the box unless it's a real sitter the attacker cannot miss!
 
Mintyref said:
So did you judge it a foul or not?
If not, correct result, if it was then you played an advantage and should have indicated this and told the player so.............but was it really a better advantage than a penalty?
The old adage applies here, don't play an advantage in the box unless it's a real sitter the attacker cannot miss!
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No foul, and i did not play an advantage...... the player with the ball was not affected in any way by the little 1 second tug.... he did not react to it just carried on and had a strike on goal, and i must admit i don't know how the keeper got to it .......
 
You can't say it wasn't a foul, a 1 second shirt pull, or indeed a shirt pull of any duration is a foul (holding an opponent).

No problem whatsoever with you playing the advantage, but I am totally struggling to see how you say it wasn't a foul as by your own description it clearly was.
 
RustyRef said:
You can't say it wasn't a foul, a 1 second shirt pull, or indeed a shirt pull of any duration is a foul (holding an opponent).

No problem whatsoever with you playing the advantage, but I am totally struggling to see how you say it wasn't a foul as by your own description it clearly was.
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Referees are not to whistle for doubtful or inconsequential infringements. A handful of shirt that doesn't impact upon the opponent is not a foul.
Though the culture of the game is that our interpretation of affecting a player is perhaps a little generous - the shirt pull that, for instance, does nothing other than allow the defender to remain level and use his body against the opponent should probably be a foul but it's always let go. By the OP's description it isn't a foul.
 
CapnBloodbeard said:
Referees are not to whistle for doubtful or inconsequential infringements. A handful of shirt that doesn't impact upon the opponent is not a foul.
Though the culture of the game is that our interpretation of affecting a player is perhaps a little generous - the shirt pull that, for instance, does nothing other than allow the defender to remain level and use his body against the opponent should probably be a foul but it's always let go. By the OP's description it isn't a foul.
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Absolutely agree not a foul, the players progress was not impeded he could have easily stopped and reacted but didn't ( in that case i prob, would have give penalty as it impeded him) he carried on and got his shot on target and by a brilliant finger tip save by the keeper did not score, and there was no chance on his then penalty appeal because he did not score was i going to change my mind.
 
CapnBloodbeard said:
Referees are not to whistle for doubtful or inconsequential infringements. A handful of shirt that doesn't impact upon the opponent is not a foul.
Though the culture of the game is that our interpretation of affecting a player is perhaps a little generous - the shirt pull that, for instance, does nothing other than allow the defender to remain level and use his body against the opponent should probably be a foul but it's always let go. By the OP's description it isn't a foul.
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agree... ive had it where a defender had a grip on attackers shirt, but he was stationary, made no attempt to move and managed to play a perfectly good pass to a team mate... whilst simultaneously screaming at me for a penalty. had he attempted to run, turn or move away from his opponent and not been able to do so due to the shirt holding i would have awarded the pen.
he did find it difficult to accept
 
mikedn said:
Absolutely agree not a foul, the players progress was not impeded he could have easily stopped and reacted but didn't ( in that case i prob, would have give penalty as it impeded him) he carried on and got his shot on target and by a brilliant finger tip save by the keeper did not score, and there was no chance on his then penalty appeal because he did not score was i going to change my mind.
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Don't disagree, but it is still a foul and rather you are just playing an advantage.
 
mikedn said:
Absolutely agree not a foul, the players progress was not impeded he could have easily stopped and reacted but didn't ( in that case i prob, would have give penalty as it impeded him) he carried on and got his shot on target and by a brilliant finger tip save by the keeper did not score, and there was no chance on his then penalty appeal because he did not score was i going to change my mind.
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Why would you award the free kick just because the player stops and stands there?
Also be careful about your terminology. Impeding is something different altogether :)
 
RustyRef said:
Don't disagree, but it is still a foul and rather you are just playing an advantage.
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But something "trifling" (to use the word that was in the Laws up through 2004 or 2005) isn't a foul. It's... trifling. Insignificant.

The original description suggests that this was... a trifling pull.
 
If I see the shirt come away from the body in an opponents hand I'm giving the foul.
Is there a requirment for the player to be affected?
 
richard ramjane said:
Absolutely.
If the shirt hold doesn't affect the balance , stride , ability to play the ball of the player then it's play on for me
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A shirt pull strong enough so slow down a sprinting attacker is some shirt pull! It doesn't have this requirement in law though I'm not going to give every little grab, I'm certainly not waiting for it to off balance an opponent as that is a vast scale you're tying yourself to.
 
CapnBloodbeard said:
Well how is the attacker influenced if their balance or momentum isn't affected?
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Mentally.

If it doesn't say momentum or unbalanced in the LotG, how can you stick to that so adamantly? Even in advice to referees I can't this directive. What if the attacker feels the pull then throws them self on the ground? How can you mind read to tell if it's a dive or a foul for holding? Their momentum and balance weren't affected but how can you tell?

Like I say, I'm not giving every little pull much like we don't get every little niggle that we would give if we're trying to kill the game, but I'm not waiting for an imbalance or an influence in momentum. Too rigid advice that doesn't seem to exist anywhere I feel.
 
You're going to award a free kick because the attacker may (even though you have know what of knowing) been mentally affected?? I know we're talking about pulling shirts, but I think you're pulling legs!!

So in what scenario are you going to award a FK when the attacker hasn't been affected?
And in answer to your question about 'if the attacker feels the pull and takes a dive', well obviously if it looks like a dive I treat it as a dive. If I've been fooled then I don't.

I find your question curious - 'how can you mind read to tell if it's a dive?' - that question is no different for any other diving scenario, and I'm sure you're not arguing referees can never claim a player has taken a dive!
 
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