Arsenal v Bayern Munich
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Mooseybaby
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No pen, Alonso got enough on the ball for me. As for Bayern's penalty, no intent to play the ball 7/8 yards from goal, nailed on DOGSO. Was surprised when ref initially showed yellow, presume the statue behind the goal offered a different opinion.
The lack of understanding of the laws of the game by the commentary team especially by an ex-player like Keown is alarming!
The lack of understanding of the laws of the game by the commentary team especially by an ex-player like Keown is alarming!
Adam Dyer
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It comes to angles at the end of the day, depends the view of the ref, so if the 5th gave that, it seems it's a fantastic decision
santa sangria
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Mooseybaby
Retired big bad baldy in all black!
Another embarrassing night for Arsenal, put up a decent fight in the first half, totally outclassed and humiliated in the 2nd, just as they were in the first leg!
@Tealeaf even though the other one was first and had a catchy title - gutted
I liked, it but this covered more of the key incidents.
Though the Arse getting a tonking has perked me up
You're not the only one as Alexis Sanchez was giggling when the fifth goal went in!
Definitely an OGSO IMO so RC was correct, not sure where that little yellow popped from. I didn't think the Arsenal one was a pen either at match speed but a few around me weren't as sure...
Only reason I can think of why the ref originally showed a yellow was construing Lewandowski clipping the ball as Koscielny touching it. Quickly corrected by his assistant.
What is more frustrating than anything is a lack of knowledge of the Laws by everyone else. Thought the ref had a great game really, contrary to the commentators'/public's opinion.
What is more frustrating than anything is a lack of knowledge of the Laws by everyone else. Thought the ref had a great game really, contrary to the commentators'/public's opinion.
Seen it now and if you give the penalty it has to be a red. It wasn't a mistimed tackle, but rather was a push and the laws are clear that this still results in a sending off. Still poor refereeing though - you never, ever get a yellow card out in that situation until you have spoken to your assistants. At that level there is instant comms and that really should have never happened.
Felt a little for the referee. That was his first ever Champion's League knockout game, and let's face it, had the score been 1-1, 1-2 or even 1-3 there is no way he would have been given it and it would have gone to one of the big hitters. So he was on something of a hiding to nothing - if the game was one sided he would struggle to show his abilities so the best he could really hope for was a one sided game with no controversial decisions. Whereas in reality he has had the worst of both worlds, one sided game and controversial decisions, and I suspect he is going to get panned for showing a yellow and then changing it to a red. Can understand why that happened but it is amateurish at best ...
Felt a little for the referee. That was his first ever Champion's League knockout game, and let's face it, had the score been 1-1, 1-2 or even 1-3 there is no way he would have been given it and it would have gone to one of the big hitters. So he was on something of a hiding to nothing - if the game was one sided he would struggle to show his abilities so the best he could really hope for was a one sided game with no controversial decisions. Whereas in reality he has had the worst of both worlds, one sided game and controversial decisions, and I suspect he is going to get panned for showing a yellow and then changing it to a red. Can understand why that happened but it is amateurish at best ...
Peter Grove
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I'm interested in how you arrive at that conclusion when the law says it should still be a red card ifPadfoot said:
Since that is what happened here, how do you reckon a yellow is credible?
Even if Alonso got something on the ball (and I'm not sure he did, based on the replays I saw) getting the ball first is not an excuse for fouling a player. There was clearly careless contact with Walcott, sufficient to bring him down. Irrespective of getting the ball, that's enough for a penalty, IMHO.
Padfoot
The Persecuted One
The word "credible" doesn't always mean "correct" there is a subtle difference.....especially given that it is debatable whether the Bayern threw himself to the floor because of the hand, or because of the clumsy leg contact.....there was both.....clearly the referee had taken the view that it was the leg contact, hence the caution......to be talked into the red card by a largely pointless addition to the officiating team is just ludicrous.
The AAR should have just been told to shut the hell up and wind his neck in........wasn't a clear error in law therefore needed absolutely no intervention from anyone.
A Freethinker
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Alonso one very debatable I don't think he got the ball at all and if he did it was the faintest of touches at match speed no way you could have called it, whereas his contact with Walcott was clear.
Second pen this is where I am going to be controversial first viewing which I would have based my decision on was contact between two players, one fell down - no pen!
Look at these stills http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...ions-League-Robert-Lewandowski-sportgalleries shows both players are wrestling for the ball Koscienly in front of Lewandowski and yet he throws himself forward??? Sorry folks not convinced it is a penalty let alone a red card offence IMHO.
Second pen this is where I am going to be controversial first viewing which I would have based my decision on was contact between two players, one fell down - no pen!
Look at these stills http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...ions-League-Robert-Lewandowski-sportgalleries shows both players are wrestling for the ball Koscienly in front of Lewandowski and yet he throws himself forward??? Sorry folks not convinced it is a penalty let alone a red card offence IMHO.
@A Freethinker agree on the second penalty - don't think it should be given, BUT if it is, then surely the red has to follow?
A Freethinker
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If and that's a big IF, the penalty is given.....then yes red has to be shown!
CapnBloodbeard
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1) https://streamable.com/6u2hb
Got a solid touch on the ball, minimal force used, contact was incidental. No foul
2) https://www.facebook.com/groups/673...oup_comment_mention¬if_id=1488970302982641
Problem is, the player was well and truly offside before getting the ball (can't believe the AR missed that). However, moving past that - it was a trip made in an attempt to charge the player. That can't be a 'genuine attempt on the ball', so a red card is correct. Good on him for having the courage to change the decision.
Upon first viewing I thought no foul - but then I saw the leg contact. From the leg contact the fall looks natural to me; I don't think you could argue anything else with that amount of leg contact. It's enough to bring somebody down. He clips the knee, then his leg gets in front which knocks the back leg.
Got a solid touch on the ball, minimal force used, contact was incidental. No foul
2) https://www.facebook.com/groups/673...oup_comment_mention¬if_id=1488970302982641
Problem is, the player was well and truly offside before getting the ball (can't believe the AR missed that). However, moving past that - it was a trip made in an attempt to charge the player. That can't be a 'genuine attempt on the ball', so a red card is correct. Good on him for having the courage to change the decision.
Upon first viewing I thought no foul - but then I saw the leg contact. From the leg contact the fall looks natural to me; I don't think you could argue anything else with that amount of leg contact. It's enough to bring somebody down. He clips the knee, then his leg gets in front which knocks the back leg.
One thing I'd be interested in the opinion of you guys of, was whether the ref was correct to change his mind. Regardless of the reasoning behind producing the yellow, should the referee have then changed that to red or stuck with it even after getting a second opinion? In an ideal world, he would have got the second opinion beforehand ...
A Freethinker
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You only get one look therefore your decision was no foul!
Absolutely, if he becomes aware of something and before play restarts he is well within his rights to change his mind. I am assuming here he was spoken to through the mics
Padfoot
The Persecuted One
So it was a trip......which was possibly from an attempt to play the ball........just as likely as the guesswork that it was an attempted charge......
Stupid decision from the AAR to get involved, even more moronic decision from the referee to listen to him.