Open Age Local First grade Grand Final - match result overturned - ref error

[CapnBloodbeard]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/footba...r/news-story/5ca111c9db0846d24f44fdb4c439660b
Local first grade grand final (the area where I used to referee, in fact). KFTM, ball bounces off the crossbar, hits the keeper in the back, goes in the goal. Inexplicably, the referee doesn't award the goal. Even more inexplicably, the ARs and 4th official let him get away with it.
It was down to sudden death so this kick would have won it for them. IMO the league made the correct decision overturning the result.

 

[Tino Best]

A dangerous precedent has been set. If the ref was not sure the whole ball had crossed the line he can not give it. If the AR is not 100% sure the ball has crossed the line he can not give it. The 4th official is on the touchline so unless video replays are sanctioned it cannot be given. This is a big moment in reffing and pandora's box has been opened. It could mean now legal challenges being lodged because teams feel agrieved. With no footage we cant say whether the ref is right or wrong but football is reffed on split decisions by humans and if the ref made a rick supporters and club management have to live with it. A very sad day for referees everywhere

 

[CapnBloodbeard]

The issue isn't that they weren't sure it crossed the line - the issue is that they mistakenly ruled it out because it bounced 'backwards' off the crossbar, deflected off the keeper and into the goal. Clear misapplication in law - so I think they should be able to appeal those results.

Given that's the situation I don't see that there has been any significant implication here.

The lesson here for the other 3 officials? When you know the referee is making a grievous error (such as an error in law), do whatever you need to do to get the referee's attention. That should be relatively easy in a situation such as this given everything is stopped anyway.

Of course you need to maintain your first priorities of controlling the people around you (and for all we know this did happen and the ref stuck to his decision).

 

[Mintyref]

Right decision in the end......

 

[one]

A similar incident a a women's state league semi final in Sydney about the same time. Second half penalty kick rebounded off the crossbar and kicked in the net by the penalty kicker without touching anyone else. Referee awarded a goal to level the game and the same team scored a winner later in the game. An appeal was upheld and the whole game was replayed delaying the already scheduled grand final by a week.

It highlights the importance of knowing the subtle but basic laws and also as mentioned, the importance of the role of ARs and 4th in ALL aspects f the game.

 

[SLI39]

Maybe the referee was taught that rule in his course in the 2000s or earlier and never checked the updated versions!
One thing I also thought before reading the full story was that the player might have committed an offence after the referee's signal. Incidentally, the LOTG don't mention whether an opposition player can be excluded during kicks to compensate for a red card; it only mentions yellow card offences.

 

[Peter Grove]

Incidentally, the LOTG don't mention whether an opposition player can be excluded during kicks to compensate for a red card; it only mentions yellow card offences.

If you're talking about the 'reduce to equate' provision, it doesn't mention cards at all, it simply says that:

If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one team has a greater number of players than its opponents, it must reduce its numbers to the same number as its opponents

If you're talking about cautions and dismissals in general, it mentions both possibilities:

Substitutions and send offs during kicks from the penalty mark
A player, substitute or substituted player may be cautioned or sent off

 

[SLI39]

Yes, you're quite right. I consulted the amendments and additions to 'during penalty kicks' (see attachment, where only a caution offence is mentioned) and overlooked what was already plain to see in the 'before penalty kicks start' section. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Ciley Myrus]

Would a replay, or, even, the replaying of kicks from the pen mark not be the correct decision?
Had it not been the last kick of sudden death, but kick number 3 what would the outcome be?
Without checking, did England women not get a remainder of game replay over an encroachment pen kick a few years ago?

 

[CapnBloodbeard]

It wouldn't be the correct decision because had the correct decision been made, the match would have ended on that kick. In fact, how to address this error is about as simple as it gets.
If it was another kick (say, kick 2) then yeah, it's a bit more difficult and replaying just the remaining kicks is probably the solution.