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Discussion in 'Laws of the game' started by HullRef, May 19, 2017.

  1. HullRef

    HullRef Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    Assuming you're refereeing an FA cup game that must be finished on the night.

    Without any of them coming after the final whistle, what is the most number of red cards that can be issued and the game still come to a conclusion with a legitimate result? (based purely on what is outlined in the LOTG).

    Don't explain how just yet, lets just have numbers to see how many different answers we get.
     
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  4. Yampy

    Yampy Well-Known Member Level 5 Referee

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    I've got 22 at the moment.
     
  5. NERef

    NERef Active Member Level 4 Referee

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    36? 22 players plus 7 subs from each team? Or is it 5 subs from each team meaning 32?
     
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    es1 Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    PinnerPaul Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    Yes agree 4 + 4 + 7 + 7 = 22!
     
  8. James Long

    James Long Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    Before or after team list submitted?
     
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    James Long Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    I'd also agree with 22
     
  10. Mintyref

    Mintyref Well-Known Member Level 6 Referee

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    Just re-read the post need to try again!
     
  11. Mooseybaby

    Mooseybaby Big bad baldy in all black! Level 7 Referee

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    WGS and BT Internet would go into nuclear meltdown if you had to submit all of those on a Sunday night! :D
     
  12. bester

    bester Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    In theory you could blow the final whistle immediately after showing multiple red cards, as the game won't be continuing the minimum of seven player limit doesn't apply.

    34
     
  13. Yampy

    Yampy Well-Known Member Level 5 Referee

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    I suppose I should also consider theoretical situations in penalty kicks to determine the winner. The question does say the game must be decided on the night. Red cards during the shootout doesn't trigger the abandonment because of player numbers, does it? I suppose you could dish out another 14, giving 36 in total.
     
  14. Alex Rush-Fear

    Alex Rush-Fear Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    That's not right - if you send enough off to drop one or both teams below 7 players then it has to count as an abandonment regardless of how late in the match it happens.
     
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    AlexF Well-Known Member

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    Not the case in kicks from the mark.

    Once you get there, you can go below 7.
     
  16. bester

    bester Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    My contention is that you can go below 7 as long as the game is not restarted.

    Also I'm - probably incorrectly - assuming that the OP wasn't including kicks from the mark.
     
  17. Alex Rush-Fear

    Alex Rush-Fear Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    Kicks from the penalty mark aren't part of the match, so what I said is still correct ;)
    If that happened and you didn't report it as an abandonment it would mean that the County FA wouldn't be able to charge the team(s) for causing the match to be abandoned, and could quite possibly result in you being charged for failing to proficiently apply the LotG.
     
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    one Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    34 (assuming maximum number of players on the team sheet is 18, that is 11 starters + 7 substitutes)

    You must have a goal keeper from each side to complete the game. The number of players from each side can be reduced to as low as one goalkeeper per side during KFTPM.
     
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  19. bester

    bester Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    Missed your edit. The match isn't continuing in my scenario.
     
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    lincs22 Supply League Observer Observer/Tutor

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    Bored :yawn: - can we have the answer.:mad:
     

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