The law doesn't say that an excessive celebration is only penalised if it occurs after the goal is scored so celebrations before the scoring of the goal can also be penalised. I think it is clear in this case that the player is celebrating a goal which is about to be scored imminently.
Removing shirt before goal
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But what would the other path be? For the sake of completion.
Foul > Yellow card > IDFK > (dissent and uproar!)
one
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I think my option of
Stop play - correct equipment - drop ball - run for your life
Is more supported by law.
What is the foul for? What is the yellow card for?
I think my option of
Stop play - correct equipment - drop ball - run for your life
Is more supported by law.
Yes, foul wasn't the right entry point to use there.
Perhaps IDFK can be used as an acronym for my level of knowledge
Perhaps IDFK can be used as an acronym for my level of knowledge
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I would argue law 4 probably trumps that. It is clear that play continues until s break in play to correct the equipment, so what exactly is he being cautioned for?
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This isn’t an equipment failure like a shoe falling off or a shin pad falling out. This is a deliberate act. IFAB has defined the taking of a shirt off to celebrate a goal as a caution. It’s hardly a stretch to say that taking off the shirt to celebrate before scoring is disrespectful to the game and warrants a caution for USB. Again, I‘m not going there and cancelling a goal unless there are additional factors that exacerbate the unsporting nature.
Shirt off and a two handed groin chop directed at opposition spectators?
WiisardNic
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Play on!
Another badly worded law perhaps. And in fairness I'm fine with a caution for the goal celebration, even if it was a bit premature, but I'm struggling to see any justification to disallow the goal, that is the key point.
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That’s not hard at all. If a USB act happened before the goal was scored, it’s an IFK restart. (I think it is harder to technically justify the caution without taking the goal away, as the USB happened before the goal. But I think it is still usually the better answer.)
Will have to agree to disagree, lots of talk of "what the game expects" and "spirit of the game" these days, and I think the only people even considering this being disallowed are some referees.
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I’m not sure we actually disagree on what to do in practice. As I posted above, absent exacerbating factors, I‘m giving the goal and cautioning before the KO.
Bringing this back up to ask a separate point. I think I know the answer
Removing a shirt is only cautionable during celebration of a goal? I’ve seen clips from professional games with subs being booked as the take their top off whilst leaving the fop but the shirt removing bullet point is only under excessive celebration.
(Also dont know how long a thread is considered dead)
Removing a shirt is only cautionable during celebration of a goal? I’ve seen clips from professional games with subs being booked as the take their top off whilst leaving the fop but the shirt removing bullet point is only under excessive celebration.
(Also dont know how long a thread is considered dead)
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Are you sure it was for removing their shirt? I have seen plenty clips making something look like something else by clever editing.
(Also if you think you are "bringing it back up" then I'd say even you think it's a dead thread, especially if it's "a separate point. Any issues with starting a new thread?)
(Also if you think you are "bringing it back up" then I'd say even you think it's a dead thread, especially if it's "a separate point. Any issues with starting a new thread?)