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Inter school game, a "nothing" match, no league or cup. U18s, not first or second teams so standard not too high, but 22+ plus boys occupied &enjoying a game of football. Blues (my school - I was ref, not the team coach, but know most of the players from the classroom/around school) v greens.

Blues were much better than greens and winning comfortably, about 8 - 0. Well into 2nd half, blue player scores. Whilst keeper picking ball out of net, he (blue goal scorer) still in the box, whips out his phone from his shorts pocket and, very publicly, takes selfie of himself with the goal behind him.

Blow the whistle, pull him over - must admit teacher mode now takes precedent. I boll&&ck him, I think he's taking the pi$$, disrespecting our visitors (the opposition) who are already on hiding to nothing etc. Send him to go and put the phone away (shouldn't have had it on the pitch) and tell him he must wait my permission to come back onto the pitch. I will use the schools disciplinary system to administer a suitable sanction.

Am I right to feel as annoyed as I am by this pupil's action?

And what would you do if this happened in a non-school game? I'm thinking yellow for USB + I'd still make the player leave the pitch to put the phone away and then await my permission at the next break in play to be allowed back onto the pitch?

Any thoughts.

J
 
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Me personally... i would not referee any match if i were not able to submit any cautions/ sendings off. Prevention is better than cure.
 
We can, and do, use cards in school games . (As teachers) We actually have a far greater suite of sanctions (and rewards) which are often far more appropriate to use than cards - a 30 minute detention will have more impact on the pupil than the post match bragging rights of getting carded & Dad having to cough up a tenner.
 
mikedn said:
It doesn't..... just stating my position in accepting games whereupon if its not sanctioned with my FA i'm not refereeing it.....
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I get that and respect it, although all our school games fall under the auspices of ESFA (English Schools FA) and so are sanctioned, "legal", insured etc.
 
Teachers shouldn't be refereeing schools games......especially any involving their own schools.

Get an independant referee in.....plenty of them around.....
 
Padfoot said:
Teachers shouldn't be refereeing schools games......especially any involving their own schools.

Get an independant referee in.....plenty of them around.....
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... and another blow to school sport is landed ...

On Wednesday we have six games v another school, U16a&b, U15a&b, U14a&b. Six refs (if you can get them on a Wednesday afternoon) at 30 quid a pop, £180 for one afternoon. It ain't going to happen. We have a couple of staff at the school (myself included) who are qualified refs who'll do a couple of the games, and we may get someone in for one of the others. But the B team games will have to be done by willing (and quite capable) teachers.
 
RustyRef said:
Meanwhile back in the real world where schools have had their funding slashed beyond recognition and are to all intents penniless ....
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Maybe if the waste wasn't so profilic in the education system the funding wouldn't have been slashed, or what funding was available would be able to be utilised efficiently?

Besides, with the youth football opportunities available outside of the schools system, school teams are largely obsolete (unless you are in the private education sector in which case they are mostly compulsory) and tend to offer little or nothing in way of development for the players.

If players play at a decent youth level on a Saturday, many of them will play on a Sunday to "play with their mates" so to have to find time to attend school team training as well as another match in the week, is simply too much. Most decent level Saturday youth teams train twice a week, add in the Sunday training.....and it becomes overkill.

My sons school has even tried to bribe my son into the school team by saying that as he is doing GCSE PE he wouldn't be able to pass if he didn't join the team......but as he plays at a good level on a Saturday (training twice a week), plays for fun on a Sunday (training once a week), undertakes specialist GK training once a week....it simply isn't possible to add another training/match into that scenario. Plus he has previously been in the team, and the training is very poor compared to a club level, they allow pretty much anyone who turns up to play, regardless of ability, which whilst I understand the sentiment just doesn't work with teenage lads....especially those who can actually play football, they just get demoralised and lose interest.

So, yes, I don't have a great deal of time for schools football as it doesn't offer the training or development that a good youth football club can, in my experience.
 
Maybe if schools were funded directly, used a wooden dollar accounting system and didn't have to outsource every single aspect of their day so that some money grabbing corporation could line the pockets of their shareholders, then the world would be a better place.
 
When did school football stop being about getting let out of classes early for matches? Jesus - the politics of it all ...

@Padfoot how old is your son? is he signed to a professional youth team? (I mean anyone from League 1 up to Premier League) - if not, and age dependant, I doubt he'll 'make it' (only 3% of all players signed to professional teams at a youth level make it as a professional) so why not let him go and play with his school friends? get that extra curricular that'll look good later in life.

on a side note - when I passed the BRC at 14 I was then the schools referee - trading earlier days for matches - I covered all home games and a fair few away when required - as far as opposition was concerned, I was an old school pupil and had left already lol
 
Schools football over here is organised by the IFA and they bring the refs with them for competitions or give schools a list of approved refs to used.
 
Padfoot said:
So, yes, I don't have a great deal of time for schools football as it doesn't offer the training or development that a good youth football club can, in my experience.
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Not all football is about training or development
 
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