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This rubbish has to stop...

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  1. Sheffields Finest

    Sheffields Finest Well-Known Member

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    The VAR system as it is now is a bloody mess, in principle its a good idea, a nice thought, get everything right, but at the moment its process is just ludicrous. It should purely be about line decisions, offside as an example, having guys in a box having to pass ludicrously rushed complicated decisions on grey areas of law is making VARs and refs look like idiots....Commentators are confused, supporters are confused, players are confused, refs are confused... WTF have they created here.....Scrap it now.....Think of something else!!!
     
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  4. RustyRef

    RustyRef Moderator Staff Member

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    They are only confused because of the lack of communication. If the referee publicly told everyone what they were looking at, and the VAR then publicly gave the reason for the decision, it would work a treat.
     
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    es1 Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    It's a trial, we all know there are various flaws but we have to give the authorities the chance to make it work.

    I think it's worked pretty well too, aside from the lack of communication rusty points out.
     
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    one Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    PinnerPaul Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    See Germany v Cameroon - Would have loved to heard the explanation for that!;)
     
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    deusex Well-Known Member Level 5 Referee

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    Excluding the Germany/Cameroon one (which just seemed to be a Columbian referee out of his depth) haven't they got every VAR decision right?
     
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    Darius Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    Well you jinxed that.....
     
  10. Sheffields Finest

    Sheffields Finest Well-Known Member

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    the Irony of a system conceived to simplify things and to get decisions right, ends up confusing the hell out of everybody and still they get stuff wrong between them!!
     
  11. jofusref

    jofusref Well-Known Member

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    commentaters are confused, no change there then
     
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    Sheffields Finest Well-Known Member

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    Yes, now they are just as confused as the players, the managers the crowd and even the referees who still make mistakes after looking at it multiple times, At least before we had a slight excuse!!....
     
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    bester Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    Strange to trial it in a major competition with all the media glare, they could've continued ironing out the kinks in minor competitions like the MLS / U19 internationals etc. FIFA seem desperate to get it ready for Russia 2018.
     
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    one Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    I fear a beautiful game being ruined by the rushed introduction of malfunctioning process.

    I think they had an original time line and even though thing are clearly not going as expected, they are not willing to adapt and change the timeline. There has been trials of this in minor tournaments and leagues around the world and the result of those trials was not good enough to bring the trial into confed cup. And if that is anything to go by, no matter what the confed cup trial result is, it will be there in Russia 2018.

    I believe they are expecting it to be the same as the introduction of GLT which was successful. VAR is a much more complicated process.
     
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    one Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    No
     
  16. OIREF!

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    I accept that VAR is a work in progress but for a high profile improvement I hoped it would be more developed and organised than this. Not quite back to the drawing board but there is a lot of work to be done before this is workable.
     
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    [citation needed]
     
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    Was surprised that it has only been tested in 74 matches so far. That would explain some things...

    http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football...using-var-at-world-cup_sto6236553/story.shtml

    FIFA President Gianni Infantino signalled that he is in favour of introducing video assistant referees (VAR) at next year's World Cup following its success at the Confederations Cup, although he conceded the system needs to be improved.


    "Nothing is standing in the way of using VAR (at the World Cup), as far as I'm concerned," Infantino told a news conference in the Russian city of St Petersburg on the eve of the Confederations Cup final. "So far it has been successful. We are learning, we are improving, we are continuing the tests."

    VAR involves two video assistant referees watching the on-pitch action remotely and then drawing the match referee's attention to officiating mistakes. FIFA said the system corrected six game-changing decisions during the Confederations Cup. "Without the VARs, we would have had a different tournament," Infantino said. "And a tournament which would have been a little less fair."

    But Infantino, who said that the system had been tested so far in 74 matches, added that certain aspects needed to be refined. "We need to work still on some of the details, on the communication and the speed of the decisions being taken," he said. The time needed to make decisions has been criticised. There has also been debate about which circumstances it should be used for as some close calls are decided without consulting the VARs.
     
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    The article is mischaracterising the system. The number of VAR's is not clear. The VAR protocol seems to imply a single VAR but in the Confederations Cup they have typically used three officials. Also the primary mechanism is for the referee to initiate the review though cases of the VAR(s) recommending a review are allowed.
     
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  21. J79

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    More technology. Not sure what the plan is here...

    http://www.fifa.com/confederationsc...at-fifa-confederations-cup-2017--2899741.html

    Player stats tablets to be tested live at Russia 2017 final
    Today’s FIFA Confederations Cup final will see the national teams of Chile and Germany become part of a football technology test. FIFA will provide the two teams with tablets that will give both squads’ analysts and medical staff access to player statistics and match footage in real time. This FIFA initiative aims to gain greater insight into the potential benefits and challenges of using electronic communication equipment in the technical area. It will be the first time such technology has been tested at a FIFA tournament.

    Each team will be offered three tablets: one for the team analyst observing the final from the stand, another for the analyst on the team bench and the third one for the team’s medical staff. The tablets will have access to the match footage delivered with a 30-second delay along with the players’ positioning data collected by an optical tracking system, such as passing, pressing, speed, tackles and other in-game statistics.
     
  22. Darius

    Darius Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    Really easy this. The system is designed to stop clubs being aggrieved at being done by a wrong decision AND television want some drama.

    Take the option of reviewing it away from the referee because you are effectively having to doubt yourself and it will effect confidence
     

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