And therefore wrong......Any ball to hand is a HB outside of the UK
And therefore wrong......Any ball to hand is a HB outside of the UK
Page 109, under cautions for unsporting behaviour:
• handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack
It can easily be argued this handball stopped a promising attack, once you've decided a handball offence has taken place.
So not moving your hand makes it handball? Sorry that's just utter tosh
Page 109, under cautions for unsporting behaviour:
• handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack
It can easily be argued this handball stopped a promising attack, once you've decided a handball offence has taken place.
So not moving your hand makes it handball? Sorry that's just utter tosh
Okay then, no sanctions for anything that gives away a penalty! Yeah... no.So the defender decided to give away a penalty to stop a promising attack... Bold tactic!
The bit you've picked out is clearly to caution defenders that handle the ball OUTSIDE THE AREA to stop a promising attack.
Cautioning a player for stoping a promising attack in the penalty area is ridiculous. You've HELPED the attacking team!!
Okay then, no sanctions for anything that gives away a penalty! Yeah... no.
Not to mention SPA is specifically mentioned as an offence in the box when the LOTG says 'SPA in the PA is a caution unless it was an attempt to play the ball, when no sanction is necessary.'
It is an offence if a player:It is certainly a factor to be added to the mix in deciding whether or not the defender acted deliberately.
It isn't determinative, but it certainly isn't tosh to any degree, let alone utterly.
The handball law was a problem before they tinkered, it is worse now. They should have either left it alone or made it very, very simple in words of very few syllables.....something like...'touch the round thing with the bits of your body that come out from your shoulder and it's a free kick to the other team'. That should do it even simpletons should understand that, therefore, so should everyone on here........It is an offence if a player:
It is usually an offence if a player:
- deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
- gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:
- scores in the opponents’ goal
- creates a goal-scoring opportunity
- scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
@Mintyref was right I think!!! But we all knew that!!!
- touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
- the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
- the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
It was obviously not meant to be totally accurate to the book, hence the abbreviations. My point of bringing that up was to counteract the notion that:That only applies to fouls, not to the separate handling SPA (and your quote isn't a quote, it's a paraphrase):
• handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack• commits a foul which interferes with or stops a promising attack, except where the referee awards a penalty kick for an offence which was an attempt to play the ball
How can it be ridiculous when it is mentioned in law specifically?Cautioning a player for stoping a promising attack in the penalty area is ridiculous.
Page 109, under cautions for unsporting behaviour:
• handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack
It can easily be argued this handball stopped a promising attack, once you've decided a handball offence has taken place.
Okay then, no sanctions for anything that gives away a penalty! Yeah... no.
Not to mention SPA is specifically mentioned as an offence in the box when the LOTG says 'SPA in the PA is a caution unless it was an attempt to play the ball, when no sanction is necessary.'
It was obviously not meant to be totally accurate to the book, hence the abbreviations. My point of bringing that up was to counteract the notion that:
How can it be ridiculous when it is mentioned in law specifically?
But it isn't.
It can be as per my earlier post. A shot that is clearly on target before being handled, like this one was, could easily be deemed to be more of a promising attack than having the penalty.
Except for when they are usually not offencesOh c'mon, what could you possibly do to be more clear than to say that certain things are "usually" offenses?
Any ball to hand is a HB outside of the UK
We caution because law says so?Yeah that's exactly what I said wasn't it? Yeah... no
Excluding DOGSO, it is all but impossible to try to gain an advantage by handballing in the box
No defender EVER "tactically" conceded a penalty in a non DOGSO situation. Handball in the box is almost always a "brainfart" handball which does not require a caution.
So what are we cautioning for? If I was on the oppositon I'd want the handballer to carry on giving away stupid penalties!!
Also, as social lurker has posted, the law backs me up
Page 109 - "commits a foul which interferes with or stops a promising attack, except where the referee awards a penalty kick for an offence which was an attempt to play the ball"But it isn't.
Page 109 - "commits a foul which interferes with or stops a promising attack, except where the referee awards a penalty kick for an offence which was an attempt to play the ball"
Handball is not an attempt to play the ball, therefore is a caution if it is SPA in the PA. Just because it doesn't spoonfeed you with: "This includes handball, which isn't an attempt to play the ball, therefore should also result in a penalty kick and caution", doesn't mean it isn't true.