Where is offside?
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From where the offence occurred. It's not an offence to be in an offside position so it can't be where he was when it was played to him.
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Yacinho
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So if a player is in an offside position but commit the offense in his own half, the idfk for offside is in his own half?
Russell Jones
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micky2001
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This was my next question. I was watching the scottish junior final and the referee gave the IDFK from the original position in the opponents half, rather than in his own half where he technically committed the offence.
rainertheref
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Please tell me you aren't actually an assessor/tutor! The indirect free kick for an offside offence is taken from where the offending players was when the ball was last played to him by his team-mate.
I'm confused.
Surely as referees we all know how to restart from offside?
I must be missing something.
Surely as referees we all know how to restart from offside?
I must be missing something.
From where my AR is stood... Easy way out and all that #RefereeToExpectations
(Awaits recoil from the usual few)
(Awaits recoil from the usual few)
Yampy
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That's quite reasonable and consistent with my experiences and observations.
rainertheref
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Precisely...but it's the AR's job to be standing in line with where the offside player was when the ball was played to him. (Also, lucky you having ARs).
I have it taken from where the player becomes active... Not where he was when the ball was played
Russell Jones
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Callum, whilst that would indeed seem to be the intuitive thing to do, regrettably it is completely wrong in law. As others have pointed out, your way could lead to the farcical situation of a free kick being given for offside in the offending player's half ...
It's the AR's job to stand where the offence occurred
Russell Jones
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Including in the offending player's own half if that's where he touches the ball ?!? Brian, I've seen you be brilliantly right countless times on this forum. In this thread, IMO, you're just plain wrong ...
@Russell Jones I have said it's where the offence occurs. I have never said that should be in his own half.
@Russell Jones The player becoming active is what triggers the moment in time when he commits the offence.Callum, whilst that would indeed seem to be the intuitive thing to do, regrettably it is completely wrong in law. As others have pointed out, your way could lead to the farcical situation of a free kick being given for offside in the offending player's half ...
Here's what the law says
Law 11
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick).
Now, to those who say it is where the player is standing when the ball is played to him, how do you mark the offence if two players run towards the ball, one from an offside position and one from an onside position? You are not to signal until the offence has been committed. In this situation, you cannot signal until the player who was in the offside position either plays the ball or his team mate gives up the chase. If he runs and then stops and team mate continues, but you have already signalled because you THOUGHT the player in an offside position was likely to get it, you are wrong in law. If he does commit the offences are you going to run back to the point where the player was when the ball was played or is it going to be where he committed the offence by becoming the most obvious player to play it?
Law 11
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick).
Now, to those who say it is where the player is standing when the ball is played to him, how do you mark the offence if two players run towards the ball, one from an offside position and one from an onside position? You are not to signal until the offence has been committed. In this situation, you cannot signal until the player who was in the offside position either plays the ball or his team mate gives up the chase. If he runs and then stops and team mate continues, but you have already signalled because you THOUGHT the player in an offside position was likely to get it, you are wrong in law. If he does commit the offences are you going to run back to the point where the player was when the ball was played or is it going to be where he committed the offence by becoming the most obvious player to play it?
Yes I am... please see my further comments below. Thanks for your thoughts
In that situation you go back to where he became active, which is where he turns back into his own half to play the ball ... but this would still be in the opponents half
Correct, see my post above
Russell Jones
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Brian, thanks for a thorough and detailed response. However there's only one sentence in the LOTG that matters in this discussion and it's the first sentence on Page 109.
"When an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick to be taken from the position of the offending player when the ball was last played to him by one of his team mates"
"When an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick to be taken from the position of the offending player when the ball was last played to him by one of his team mates"