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Tricky offside, active close to GK?

JamesL said:
Advice here please rusty?

Had an assistant recently, he was really good, but in the game I had a similar incident to OP, that ran through to goalie who cleared but attacker was really close, enough for me to consider him to be challenging. I said at half time I would have wanted the flag, he was doing the wait and see, ready to raise on touching of the ball by attacker, and that I almost blew anyway but didnt know if would have given me the flag to support me.

Would you have blown up for offside or allowed play to continue? In hindsight it caused me no match control issues nor did it lead to a match changing incident, although had the ball broke better it might have done. He was a young lad on dugout side so I am glad I supported him but what would you have done here?

Open to others suggestions as well... :)
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I had this once in a women’s game. The NAR had the flag in both hands in “i’m about to put up the flag” pose for an eternity while the attacker got closer and closer to the GK. I had had enough and whistled before the flag went up.
 
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one said:
Not sure if I missed a point or you missed my point. The opponent he denied the goal to was in an offside position so if he had scored a goal without the handball happening, it wouldn't have counted.
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Interesting.
What if the long ball was heading into or very close to the goal snd the GK handles outside the bix in this scenario...?
 
santa sangria said:
I had this once in a women’s game. The NAR had the flag in both hands in “i’m about to put up the flag” pose for an eternity while the attacker got closer and closer to the GK. I had had enough and whistled before the flag went up.
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Do you discuss this situation in your pregame with the AR? :)

JamesL said:
Advice here please rusty?

Would you have blown up for offside or allowed play to continue? In hindsight it caused me no match control issues nor did it lead to a match changing incident, although had the ball broke better it might have done. He was a young lad on dugout side so I am glad I supported him but what would you have done here?

Open to others suggestions as well... :)
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Without the flag I wouldn't want to be blowing for offside. It's really not a habit that you want to get into - usually when a ref calls an offside the AR hasn't flagged, the ref is wrong.

But generally speaking, yes, your situation certainly permits an early flag. But the flag also isn't essential - given the ball is cleared, unless it's gone straight back to the attackers I wouldn't worry about it at that point (eg if I was AR and was slow on the flag, I wouldn't worry about it at that point)

one said:
Not sure if I missed a point or you missed my point. The opponent he denied the goal to was in an offside position so if he had scored a goal without the handball happening, it wouldn't have counted.
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RustyRef said:
Referees are promoted to L4 based on their refereeing performances. They have to have done a certain number of games as assistants, but even if they were observed on them (as part of a supply league scheme) the CFA won't have the details.

One assistant in particular was so bad I had to actually go along with some of his his wrong decisions otherwise I'd have been overruling every five minutes. Obviously when I say that I mean non game changing decisions, and when he goofed up serious decisions I obviously corrected. Interesting game, I was a first year L3 in only my second game at that level with two first year L4s. Senior assistant got binned after two years, junior assistant is now a successful L3
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Wrong decisions? Such as?

One way to handle wrong decisions is to prevent them - make your ball out of play decisions faster than he does, make a decision on foul / no foul faster than he does.

I once had a young NAR who was so bad that I often found myself closer to the 2nd last defender than he was. So I gave up worrying about that one, hung back up his end of the field more and positioned myself like I only had 1 AR and basically made my decisions without his help.
 
santa sangria said:
Interesting.
What if the long ball was heading into or very close to the goal snd the GK handles outside the bix in this scenario...?
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Assuming you are giving a DFK in both cases, going into the goal (must be hit hard enough), then it's dogso handball and doesn't need an opponent.

Very close to the goal, then you can't give dogso handball. But can you give dogso dynying an opponent if the opponent is in an offside position (which is what I was asking)? I'm pretty sure the answer is no.
 
CapnBloodbeard said:
Do you discuss this situation in your pregame with the AR? :)



Without the flag I wouldn't want to be blowing for offside. It's really not a habit that you want to get into - usually when a ref calls an offside the AR hasn't flagged, the ref is wrong.

But generally speaking, yes, your situation certainly permits an early flag. But the flag also isn't essential - given the ball is cleared, unless it's gone straight back to the attackers I wouldn't worry about it at that point (eg if I was AR and was slow on the flag, I wouldn't worry about it at that point)
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No, I didnt. I normally do. But it was my first one of the season and it slipped by. To be fair to the assistant and as I alluded to in my post, he was good, and he did carry out my instructions, of wait and see, take time etc.
But this was one that should have been penalised.

I think had they gone up the other end and scored I would have gone and spoken to AR about the non-flag and penalised the offside, providing play hadn't restarted from another restart.
 
Its not a case of doing anything different, its a case of being a mature adult and saying, "sorry no"
Exceptional cases yes but why on earth would you go do a game with someone you dont trust
Negates the whole point
 
CapnBloodbeard said:
Do you discuss this situation in your pregame with the AR? :)
Wrong decisions? Such as?

One way to handle wrong decisions is to prevent them - make your ball out of play decisions faster than he does, make a decision on foul / no foul faster than he does.

I once had a young NAR who was so bad that I often found myself closer to the 2nd last defender than he was. So I gave up worrying about that one, hung back up his end of the field more and positioned myself like I only had 1 AR and basically made my decisions without his help.
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Throw-ins, corners, goal kicks, offsides, you name it he goofed it up. My coach was there and described it as the worst performance he had ever seen from an assistant.
 
one said:
Assuming you are giving a DFK in both cases, going into the goal (must be hit hard enough), then it's dogso handball and doesn't need an opponent.

Very close to the goal, then you can't give dogso handball. But can you give dogso dynying an opponent if the opponent is in an offside position (which is what I was asking)? I'm pretty sure the answer is no.
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Handling by a defender isn't considered a deliberate save for gaining an advantage purposes the corollary of that is deliberate handling resets offside?

Obviously if a player who would otherwise of had an obvious goal scoring opportunity is fouled before he becomes active you couldn't red card the defender. As being in offside position means the opportunity never existed.
 
bester said:
Handling by a defender isn't considered a deliberate save for gaining an advantage purposes the corollary of that is deliberate handling resets offside?

Obviously if a player who would otherwise of had an obvious goal scoring opportunity is fouled before he becomes active you couldn't red card the defender. As being in offside position means the opportunity never existed.
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There is the bit about "if a player in an offside position is fouled before committing offside, then the foul is punished". It is a bit of grey area in regards to dogso. That't what i asked the question in the first place.
 
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