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Sin Bins - are you finding they help?

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I have used the sin bin approach quite a lot, and on the whole I'm finding it works well. There are a few issues though.

On Sunday I had a player telling me that I was wrong to show a yellow card for a dissent sin bin - apparently it should be a blue card. This isn't the first time I've been told this either. Judging from the shock that seems to emanate when I actually send a player to the bin I'm guessing not many of my colleagues are doing this properly / at all.

I've had mixed experiences with this, I must admit. Most of the time it's worked really well. However a few times I've had multiple sin bins, including twice where a team have had more than one off at the same time. On one occasion they walked together because a player had to chirp up with the same thing his mate was saying and had just been binned for! They'd had two players sent off at this point so they were a bit short staffed at the back!

On three occasions I've had players turn a ten minute break into permanent suspension. On Sunday I had a player who had already been binned foul an opponent, then turn round and tell me "you're f***ing s**t!" Ok that's yellow for the foul and red for the comment.

I know I'm quite strict - if it's a caution then it gets a caution, so I tend to get the games no one else fancies because I'm not worried about club marks - but I'd expect players to get the message. If I've sent one of their players to cool down I'm probably not going to worry about getting someone to keep him company. On occasion they don't seem to get this and I'm wondering why. Most of the time it works ok, so am I the only one using sin bins so the players don't know it's a thing? Is anyone else finding that the players don't always know what's going on?
 
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Blue cards are used in small sided (5 a side/6 a side) football for sin bins. Most of our local clubs have had some form of communication, including tutor giving presentations on sin bins.
 
Yellow card in the air and point to the dugouts is what I was told on my sin bin meeting thing.

It did make me think a blue card would make things clearer, but yellow is the way it is.

I think they're working, well they have when I've issued them.
So I'm happy with them.
 
Somerset FA did a good communication on it getting clubs and refs to come into briefings.
The League also did comms on Facebook and emails, the procedure is in the League handbook etc...

If clubs don't know / haven't informed their players then see if the League can help spread the word.
 
On one occasion this season I’ve had a player tell me you don't get sent off for a yellow, when I cautioned him for dissent and directed him to the bin. His following comments saw him spend 35 minutes off the field instead
 
On one occasion this season I’ve had a player tell me you don't get sent off for a yellow, when I cautioned him for dissent and directed him to the bin. His following comments saw him spend 35 minutes off the field instead

I know of one ref in my League who was told by the player he was binning "you can't Sin Bin me - I'm only disagreeing with you". His choice of words afterwards also led to sitting out the rest of the afternoon

This season will probably be the worst of it whilst players get used to it
 
Too early to say but I think the Sin Bin is a good thing for the game. My only topic of conversation with the captains a coin toss, is to point out that temporary dismissals will likely cost their team the game and the three of us would like to avoid that
My C2 count is roughly unchanged, but at least I now speak about something other than the weather before KO
 
Sinbinning, like the C2 cuation, are only as good as the refs using them.
If weak refs bottle their repsonsibilities it's still next week's ref having to pick up their slack by using the powers we have ALWAYS had to help control our match.
Agreed, but I think the new type of punishment helps the referees who use(d) their powers appropriately more than the old type.

Although, in my experience , the effectiveness of it somewhat wears off after a season or two but still better than a standard caution.
 
I think it works. Some players and managers need to learn the difference between dissent and offinabus though
 
I’ve had a total of 6 sin bins, those coming in 3 games where I’ve been in the middle. I’ve had quite a few where there have been no sin bins and the stepped approach has worked and nipped it on the bud before I’ve had to use it.

Game 1 - 2 sin bins, 1 for each side.

Away team got theirs first and calmed them down, but also took wind out of their sails, they were 2-0 up and pressing for a 3rd when it happened.

Home team had not got back into the game when they got theirs, manager went nuts at the player as it effectively killed the chance of a comeback.

Game 2 - 1 sin bin
had the desired impact and both teams behaved.

Game 3 - 3 sin bins, all to away team.

First one after 3 minutes (and I’d already given him the big telling off in front of the skipper). 4 minutes later he committed an act of VC whilst in the sin bin so I got rid of him.

Second one after 71 minutes though I could probably have had at least 1 more in between these two.

Third one after 81 minutes and just before #2 came back on. He called me a Foxtrot Charlie as he was walking off so he kept walking all the way back to the changing room.

Net result for me across those games was in two of them it had the desired effect, in the third it had no impact at all, mainly because the team was badly led and out of control from the start.
 
I have never used it twice in a game and when I have used it I have had no more dissent. I use the stepped approach unless it is stupid dissent for the sin bin to be used straight away
 
If weak refs bottle their repsonsibilities it's still next week's ref having to pick up their slack by using the powers we have ALWAYS had to help control our match.[/QUOTE]

They don't use sin bins in the Welsh system and for my last 3 games I have cautioned for dissent. Dissent has always been a caution and usually after the first caution for dissent there is no more.

Years ago I used to ref 7 a side and they had a blue card system for sin bin which I thought worked really well. I'm sure that once players get used to sin bins they will be used less frequently
 
It's the equivalent of teach making you stand outside the classroom. A badge to be worn with pride.
Good point. Had a sin bin last weekend (U15) and he was laughing along with a few of teammates while I was taking down his name
 
Don't quite understand that mentality as it means their team are now one man down. The whole point is that peer pressure encourages players to improve behaviour.
Worth remembering that if a player commits another offence in the sin bin then they're out of the game.

From the FA's infographic:

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From my experience this season it seems to be working well - I'm finding captains are much more proactive during the stepped approach at warning team members if they step out of line
 
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