I can't agree that that's in line with the laws. He jumps for the ball, he misses it. His arms have to go sonewhere to balance his fall. He's a yard or so from it with his back to it. No chance am I giving that.
The law is abysmal. Fans hate it. Players hate it. Get it sorted now ifab. You can't make handball a black and white issue.
It is in line with the laws, that can't really be argued. Yes, the law is extremely harsh on defenders, but as I said in a different topic that would have been given in most other countries for several seasons. I can remember seeing a major one from a recent season where exactly the same happened and a penalty was given, just can't remember what game it was.
People are just going to have to get used to it as it won't be changing, certainly not until next season anyway.
There's two points being made here, One is the debate of whether these decisions are correct in LawI guess attackers would equally argue they feel harshly done by when the ball has brushed their hand and it's been disallowed.
I think with VAR used across the world you have to have a universal application and consistency, and I think we are now getting there. It's completely different to what we've been used to but essentially now if it hits your hand it's likely to be given unless your hand is literally tucked into your body, etc. so players and everyone else will just have to adjust. I'm ok with that.
The is not an offence only applies of the above is not true.Did he make his body unnaturally bigger whilst jumping? Note that Andy Carroll done exactly the same thing too (arms out) when jumping for the ball.
Was the header from Carroll too close that Dier had no chance of avoiding it despite not even looking at it? Not saying Carroll aimed at him, but it is literally impossible for Dier to avoid it.
The handball law, one bit (in bold) confuses me with their wording.
It is an offence if a player:
- deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
- scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
- after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
- scores in the opponents’ goal
- creates a goal-scoring opportunity
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
- touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
- the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
- the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:
- directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
- directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close
- if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger
- when a player falls and the hand/arm is between the body and the ground to support the body, but not extended laterally or vertically away from the body
Does that mean all above applies if it touches a players hand/arm directly from head or body of another close player (in this case it is a handball against Dier) or is it not an offence based on point 2 for the exceptions which is exactly what happened?
90+What minute of the game was the OP?
By the way I think I figured out the new natural position of the arms
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The is not an offence only applies of the above is not true.
In this case diets arm is above the shoulder, the pout which strikes the arm is above the shoulder.
It's a handball offence. Intended as written.
If I recall this type of scenario was one of the scenarios that FIFA gave as should be punished. It was a pique one.
@RustyRef i feel like the example you are thinking of may have been a Newcastle player, Ameobi perhaps?
Perhaps not Google search says no.. But I can think of a similar one where ball was headed from behind defender and strikes arm. Was given at the time iirc
I'm sure it was a Champions League game so definitely not Newcastle ...
From memory it was given against an English team and there was uproar as it would never have been given in England, but can't for the life of me remember the details. It will come back to me at some point (then I'll forget it again before I write it down ....!)