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Junior/Youth keeper handball / crying

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Kent Ref said:
Now we've established it was NOT a dogso any other advice apart from not to caution him.
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Ignoring the decision itself as it sounds like a definite YHTBT moment, I think I'd have taken the same approach to the caution that you did. Unfortunately at that age you're very likely to get an emotional reaction (e.g. crying).

One approach that has worked for me in the past is to say something along the lines of "don't worry you're not going to be sent off, but let's go and have a chat with your coach". You can then walk over to the sideline with the player and explain the decision and the sanction, which has the dual benefit of the player hopefully reacting more calmly and, if not, ensures that everything you have said is in the presence of a responsible adult. Cautions are rare at that age and it isn't likely to be a regular ocurrence, so it shouldn't be too cumbersome.
 
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Matthew said:
Ignoring the decision itself as it sounds like a definite YHTBT moment, I think I'd have taken the same approach to the caution that you did. Unfortunately at that age you're very likely to get an emotional reaction (e.g. crying).

One approach that has worked for me in the past is to say something along the lines of "don't worry you're not going to be sent off, but let's go and have a chat with your coach". You can then walk over to the sideline with the player and explain the decision and the sanction, which has the dual benefit of the player hopefully reacting more calmly and, if not, ensures that everything you have said is in the presence of a responsible adult. Cautions are rare at that age and it isn't likely to be a regular ocurrence, so it shouldn't be too cumbersome.
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Thank you.

I did explain to the keeper it was only a yellow.

Going to the coach is an option but he was non-agreeable about me showing the card to start with!

I ref u12s-14s nearly every Saturday and i have only had 3 yellows and 1 red all season.
 
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Kent Ref said:
Thank you.

I did explain to the keeper it was only a yellow.

Going to the coach is an option but he was non-agreeable about me showing the card to start with!

I ref u12s-14s nearly every Saturday and i have only had 3 yellows and 1 red all season.
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Tell the coach you're not running a kindergarten and it's not all about his ickle player's feelings!! :rolleyes:

Seriously, if the kid is old enough to decide to "cheat" then they're old enough to face any consequence of that.

Bloke sounds like a bell end to me ...
 
Kes said:
Tell the coach you're not running a kindergarten and it's not all about his ickle player's feelings!! :rolleyes:

Seriously, if the kid is old enough to decide to "cheat" then they're old enough to face any consequence of that.

Bloke sounds like a bell end to me ...
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Ref got it wrong from me as at that age arms are needed for balance and referee should be making allowance for that.
 
Southerner In The North said:
Ref got it wrong from me as at that age arms are needed for balance and referee should be making allowance for that.
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Are you deliberately trolling here? Nowhere in the OP does it say that the goalkeeper was off balance, just that he handled the ball whilst the ball was in the air, yet having not seen the incident you're confident enough to say that the ref got it wrong.

This forum is meant to be constructive, yet once again all you're doing is being critical of other members.
 
Southerner In The North said:
I’m not simple reason I made this statement is from OP post and that the reaction was one of shock also I’m very much not a troll I just call things out which certain accounts don’t like.
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No you don't. You post the polar opposite to what everyone else says just to stir things up.

Eyes are watching carefully, and not just mine.
 
Southerner In The North said:
Yes they are watching you as you constantly target my posts I will keep flagging it from this point forward.
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Apart from ...

Two other members targeted your post well before I had a chance to

And another mod, not me, has also raised concerns about the post.

So no, it isn't just me. If you don't cut it out you won't be able to flag anything as that requires an active account to be able to do so.
 
RustyRef said:
Apart from ...

Two other members targeted your post well before I had a chance to

And another mod, not me, has also raised concerns about the post.

So no, it isn't just me. If you don't cut it out you won't be able to flag anything as that requires an active account to be able to do so.
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Threatening as well which was something I’ve seen you do to both me and another member in the past.
 
Southerner In The North said:
Threatening as well which was something I’ve seen you do to both me and another member in the past.
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Pointing out that actions have consequences, in the case or trolling a removal of the ability to post, is not threatening. It is pointing out a factual reality.

In refereeing terms it is the same as a referee telling a player that if he keeps going the way he is going he will be getting a card of one colour or another.
 
RustyRef said:
Pointing out that actions have consequences, in the case or trolling a removal of the ability to post, is not threatening. It is pointing out a factual reality.

In refereeing terms it is the same as a referee telling a player that if he keeps going the way he is going he will be getting a card of one colour or another.
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I am more than happy to explain to a more reasonable admin regarding my reply here but your actions make talking with you pointless.
 
Well when you’ve quite finished. From what I can see @RustyRef has posted facts and you seem to be hell bent on questioning anything and everything that he posts, then reporting his post everytime. Quite frankly myself and other staff are getting bored of it and it needs to stop now! Before you say it, this isn’t me sticking up for another admin, it’s me reacting after another mod and other forum members are questioning your motives. If you want to contribute the forum and not troll then feel free, other wise your posting privileges will be quickly removed. Simple really!
 
Whilst a referee should be looking to educate and help players at youth levels (particularly lower age groups), many coaches, parents and players seem to forget that the threshold for offences remains the same across all age groups. Similar to a previous post " if you can't do the time, don't do the crime".
Hearing as I often do comments such as "it's kids football" or "you can't give cards out at this level" are unwarranted comments and serve no purpose.
 
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Kevin0954 said:
Whilst a referee should be looking to educate and help players at youth levels (particularly lower age groups), many coaches, parents and players seem to forget that the threshold for offences remains the same across all age groups. Similar to a previous post " if you can't do the time, don't do the crime".
Hearing as I often do comments such as "it's kids football" or "you can't give cards out at this level" are unwarranted comments and serve no purpose.
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Whilst I agree they need to learn, would you caution an U7 player for SPA, because I really doubt it.
 
Gabriel said:
Whilst I agree they need to learn, would you caution an U7 player for SPA, because I really doubt it.
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The original thread is about u12 age group as I understand it. That was the age at which my response was aimed. Not sure why you quote U7, as I didn't and I gave a generalised opinion.

To answer your question - if I felt the circumstances warranted a card it would be issued. At any age, the decision to issue a card (red or yellow) for any offence is a subjective issue. The issue is the offence / infringement, not the offenders age.
If you believe the type of cynical infringement amounting to SPA should go unpunished, then as referee that is your decision.
Too many spectators / managers use age as an excuse in my opinion.. Discipline in the game I consider to be part of the education of young players.
 
Kevin0954 said:
The original thread is about u12 age group as I understand it. That was the age at which my response was aimed. Not sure why you quote U7, as I didn't and I gave a generalised opinion.
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I know the OP was aimed at U12 scenarios. I just asked a question relating to U7's as your generalised opinion was just on youth games. These span U7 to U18, which is 12 different age groups you could have been talking about.
 
I think for me there's only really going to be an increased amount of cards when you reach U13s. I've done plenty of U11 and U12 games and only ever given out 2 sinbins and there probably should've been 2 yellow cards which I missed as a fairly new referee. So make that 4 in over 25 games.

My card count at U13 on the other hand, through the roof!! I've had more Red Cards at U13 then any other age group!

I have had a fair few yellows in my few U15s games that I've done. I think at this point it becomes very clear when to give out a yellow card.
 
Josh the referee said:
I think for me there's only really going to be an increased amount of cards when you reach U13s. I've done plenty of U11 and U12 games and only ever given out 2 sinbins and there probably should've been 2 yellow cards which I missed as a fairly new referee. So make that 4 in over 25 games.

My card count at U13 on the other hand, through the roof!! I've had more Red Cards at U13 then any other age group!

I have had a fair few yellows in my few U15s games that I've done. I think at this point it becomes very clear when to give out a yellow card.
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Yes, I started out with mini soccer, which I still do fairly regularly. On the odd occasions there is a card, it's for coaches. U11 and U12, some cards for players. I ran the line for a mate on an U13 game a while back, there were 6 yellows, a sinbin and a red card. It defnitely becomes easier and more obvious as you go up the age group.
 
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