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    West Ham v Villa

    Doesn't Brighton V Liverpool sort of fall into that category though? Something no one especially spots or appeals for in real time, but has a completely different perspective when viewed on TV replays. I think this is the issue referees are now having and going to have. There are offences they...
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    UEFA Part 2

    Yes, subjective is an opinion, objective is a fact. There might still be judgement involved with an objective situation which means it is not called accurately but it is 100% black and white.
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    UEFA Part 2

    Yes, I'd agree with that. I guess it is trying to appeal to a general/casual audience but not sure we need to see so many highlights of the general game and so on. It would be interesting to hear a bit more comment on how the officials are assessed and discussion of how handball is judged or...
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    Wild MLS playoff game

    I'd agree the context doesn't allow for reviewing a replay and saying 'you got that throw-in wrong' but it seems fine for them to generally speak to the referee throughout the game, including to give general encouragement or to help out should a referee have got something in law wrong, as...
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    Looking at you know what differently?

    But you can't really have VAR and barely use it - the PL tried to do that last season in many ways and people just didn't accept it on the whole. 'What's the point of VAR if they're not going to use it? Why do they just protect their colleagues all the time?' I think the Newcastle V Brighton...
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    Looking at you know what differently?

    But equally it can't be there just to correct errors as blindingly obvious as the Thierry Henry handball because they occur once in a blue moon and you could get any random person off the street pretty much to look at them rather than having top level qualified referees. Things like the Henry...
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    Looking at you know what differently?

    I think that it's a very difficult balance to find. I agree we don't want referees going to the monitor 7 or 8 times a game but equally we want to get the best decision possible. I think sometimes the media and some fans, etc. lack maturity when discussing referee decisions. There have been a...
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    Wild MLS playoff game

    The VAR handbook does (or at least did, there have been so many versions!) that 'Video Assistant Referees (VARs) are match officials - any information the VARs provide to the referee will be treated by the referee in the same way as information received from an assistant referee, additional...
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    Wild MLS playoff game

    VAR can review penalty/goal incidents so could it fall under that? As you say, it was clearly the 'right' thing for VAR to intervene regardless.
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    Wild MLS playoff game

    Ah! I think socal lurker (and subsequently myself) was referring to the second paragraph of your original post about evidence from the cameras rather than the last paragraph. I agree they got input from elsewhere about the substitution. I guess it would have been an error in law so quite...
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    Looking at you know what differently?

    I'd say the VAR is re-refereeing more if they decide that the push was a penalty. In that scenario, I certainly think it would be reasonable for the VAR to advise the referee there hadn't bene a trip and then the push could be considered. Personally, I didn't think it was a penalty in the Villa...
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    Wild MLS playoff game

    I think the AR probably did make the call about the GK being off the line. As mentioned, there'd have bene an OFR in MLS if VAR had intervened and it didn't seem there was. I suspect process was: 1. AR notifies referee of GK encroachment 2. VAR checks to see if decision correct or not. 3...
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    Wild MLS playoff game

    They were using 19/20 laws and had also chosen not to apply the IFAB dispensation regarding goalkeepers at penalties to help avoid such a scenario (first introduced at the women's world cup in 2019 when we were seeing keepers cautioned multiple times for coming off the line at a penalty and the...
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    Wild MLS playoff game

    I've thought about this before - you can easily imagine a scenario where a goalkeeper saves a winning penalty, his team mates run up to him in jubilation, the losing team are on the floor, perhaps supporters invade the pitch (in say a play-off game.) It would be a brave (foolish?) VAR to...
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    Looking at you know what differently?

    In general, I think too many things have been missed in PL because 'clear and obvious' has been set so high as to hardly ever be reached. I think the Aston Villa penalty wasn't 100% wrong but I would say no penalty is a more correct decision than penalty so I've no issue with VAR intervention...
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    Nani Red Card

    This incident was covered on Inside Video Review this week (3.57 in video) - PRO's view was the red card was incorrect as there was not excessive force.
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    Leicester v Wolves

    Michael Oliver gave the one in Liverpool V Leeds. I can't think of too many others.
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    Leicester v Wolves

    For what it's worth, this was what was communicated when the PL decided to change interpretation after gameweek 3 - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmUUSJlXYAY-I0C?format=jpg&name=medium
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    Palace v Leeds

    I don't think it's as simple as many say. They tried it in Australia I believe but then broadcasters/clubs/supporters added their own lines in to replays after to 'prove' a decision was wrong, so they changed to the method we have in PL.
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    Palace v Leeds

    I don't see the difference. Last season the Arsenal goal would have been disallowed, this year it counts because you can now play the ball with that part of your body (regardless of if intentional or accidental.) Therefore, that part of body is now included in offside measurement.
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