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  1. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    I have never made the UAE ‘corruption’ link. only you have. An independent review, is somebody, from a sport like rugby to have a look, not PGMOL. The state argument is for another forum not a referee one, but Howard Webb, I think needs to consider, as have a lot of respected journalists such as...
  2. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Liverpool now have the audio to review, and fully expect their next statement will be along the lines of ‘We are happy that a genuine mistake was made, but PGMOl must now implement measures to ensure this isnt repeated, for the integrity of the game….this includes officials being allowed to...
  3. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Would that be Sheik Mansour the deputy prime minister and Vice president of the UAE and a member of the ruling family of Abu Dhabi? I am not suggesting for one moment that I know referees are coming back with suitcases full of cash, but the link is being questioned by serious football...
  4. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    But UAE is a 7hr flight, but the obvious problems with UAE owning Manchester City, which Howard Webb should be aware of. Mark Clattenburg I think wrote this week that he did a Sunday game after flying back from Russia on a Thursday night game and he couldn't remember anything about the game...
  5. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12975245/luis-diaz-var-error-liverpool-demand-thorough-and-transparent-review Interesting “Sky Sports News understands the club do not want to single out an official and have taken umbrage with PGMOL's framing of events as "a significant human...
  6. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Fair point, The club has made a formal request to PGMOL to receive the match officials’ audio from the game. So if Howard Webb thinks there is nothing to hide, just release it, and let's move on, if the explanation matches what has been said. As Klopp said after the game, people make mistakes
  7. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Liverpool haven't asked for a reply, they just want the full facts of what happened. Think that is a very reasonable response after such a calamitous error
  8. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Really? Liverpool had gone down to 10 men and scored a perfectly good goal, which would have changed the dynamics of the game completely. Klopp was very magnanimous after the game, and the club however has every right to hear the full story of what happened, especially as a lot of the officials...
  9. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Yes, this didn't feel right at the time, as Darren England, by having the freeze frame there when the referee arrives, is setting the agenda. We don't know what was said, but you can almost guess as Hooper is walking to the screen, England is telling him 'that's excessive force'. Surely the ref...
  10. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    But I think Liverpool have every right to push for a better explanation as it is unsatisfactory. So pressure now on Webb for a proper disclosure and review. Apparently the UAE appointments might be part of the push as well.
  11. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Liverpool are not happy, and can fully understand why
  12. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Yes, can’t blame the AR at all
  13. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    From what I read an approach was made to the FA which was approved by PGMOL. As Martyn Ziegler in The Times is reporting “Questions for PL and PGMOL now about possible fatigue + whether referees working in Gulf states for one-off matches causes risk of conflict of interest” I don’t really see...
  14. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Fair point, as the 6hr UAE is a bit longer I think, But Times journalist like Martin Ziegler are being mischievous with their line of attack, about them being tired. They know full well, people reading their articles and tweets will link the UAE trip and the City group. Howard Webb should have...
  15. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Now being reported in The Sunday Times and The Independent, as predicted. These officials should have been nowhere near games this weekend, and it very questionable whether it should be allowed anyway. Howard Webb still has a lot of questions to answer, as the explanation is dubious at best, and...
  16. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Really hard to understand that, if so why was the flag up, why didn’t Diaz celebrate, why was the whole stadium cheering. ‘When your in a hole stop digging’, as these explanations are not helping at all.
  17. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Until we see some evidence there is still a theory, as Gary Neville alluded too, that no check was made and no lines were drawn, and they they restarted the game too quickly. Maybe Darren England and Michael Oliver were jet lagged from their game in UAE on Thursday night? We need to see the...
  18. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Just watching MOTD again. AR clearly puts his flag up, Diaz goes to celebrate, but then stops, as he sees the flag. Crowd audibly jeering. VAR screen states, ‘checking disallowed goal - offside’. At what part of any of this does the VAR team think the goal has been given? This ‘explanation’ is...
  19. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Sorry, this doesn’t add up, it was clear watching it that the goal had been disallowed.
  20. Tim Punter

    TOT v LIV

    Apologies, my mistake, I will sit out RefChat for a week!
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