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WalterPinkman

WalterPinkman

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Seeking some quick clarification for a law that I believe came in around 3-4 years ago now. Apologies if already posted, I did look.

Would I be right in saying that DOGSO from inside the penalty area would be a yellow if there is an attempt to play the ball, in all other cases, such as pulling, tripping, etc. would be a red.

However, is it a red from outside the penalty area in ALL cases? Even an attempt to play the ball?
 
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Almost there. Correct in what you've stated. Also from this year a non-deliberate handball offence DOGSO/DOG inside the area is also a yellow.
 
one said:
Almost there. Correct in what you've stated. Also from this year a non-deliberate handball offence DOGSO/DOG inside the area is also a yellow.
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Almost seems a bit harsh to me. Especially getting a red for DOGSO outside the penalty area regardless of whether or not you made an attempt for the ball.

I know that inside the penalty area, it was to stop the double-jeopardy of giving away a penalty and losing a player, but I still feel like DOGSO outside the penalty area could be treated the same as inside, ie, a yellow if an attempt to play the ball.
 
WalterPinkman said:
I know that inside the penalty area, it was to stop the double-jeopardy of giving away a penalty and losing a player, but I still feel like DOGSO outside the penalty area could be treated the same as inside, ie, a yellow if an attempt to play the ball.
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Consider the two very different restarts, though. (Unless you're James Ward-Prowse)
 
WalterPinkman said:
Almost seems a bit harsh to me. Especially getting a red for DOGSO outside the penalty area regardless of whether or not you made an attempt for the ball.

I know that inside the penalty area, it was to stop the double-jeopardy of giving away a penalty and losing a player, but I still feel like DOGSO outside the penalty area could be treated the same as inside, ie, a yellow if an attempt to play the ball.
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You are looking at this from the defender's view point only. Now look at it from the attackers view point. You are about to score a goal and very likely to succeed, you get fouled. All you get is a free kick. Hardly fair.
 
A slight difference from what you posted, the wording in law is ‘a challenge for the ball’.
This means accidental tripping (which I pick as you specified tripping) wouldn’t be a red card if it’s part of a challenge for the ball (and inside the box)
It also means that an upper body tussle can result in only a yellow card if it’s a ‘challenge for the ball’.
What it can’t include is things like pushing / pulling opponent down or deliberate tripping.
 
RefereeX said:
A slight difference from what you posted, the wording in law is ‘a challenge for the ball’.
This means accidental tripping (which I pick as you specified tripping) wouldn’t be a red card if it’s part of a challenge for the ball (and inside the box)
It also means that an upper body tussle can result in only a yellow card if it’s a ‘challenge for the ball’.
What it can’t include is things like pushing / pulling opponent down or deliberate tripping.
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What I like to group into one of my stock phrases which seems to buy me out of some awkward decisions... "normal football contact".
 
Viridis1886 said:
What I like to group into one of my stock phrases which seems to buy me out of some awkward decisions... "normal football contact".
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What situations do you use it for? To me, this would be good for why a 'good old hard tackle' is not a foul. But not for when a foul was a challenge for the ball.
I also use the phrase "fair challenge" or "fair tackle" but only to communicate I have seen it, considered it and don't think it's a foul.
 
one said:
What situations do you use it for? To me, this would be good for why a 'good old hard tackle' is not a foul. But not for when a foul was a challenge for the ball.
I also use the phrase "fair challenge" or "fair tackle" but only to communicate I have seen it, considered it and don't think it's a foul.
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Quite often use it when players are running along beside each other tussling for the ball. Neither really has control, feet clip, someone goes down. No one really is to blame, no real foul committed.
 
RefereeX said:
A slight difference from what you posted, the wording in law is ‘a challenge for the ball’.
This means accidental tripping (which I pick as you specified tripping) wouldn’t be a red card if it’s part of a challenge for the ball (and inside the box)
It also means that an upper body tussle can result in only a yellow card if it’s a ‘challenge for the ball’.
What it can’t include is things like pushing / pulling opponent down or deliberate tripping.
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Found this very helpful. Thank You. However, surely an accidental trip from outside the box would be a red if DOGSO?
 
Viridis1886 said:
What I like to group into one of my stock phrases which seems to buy me out of some awkward decisions... "normal football contact".
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I’ve been using this more.

I like having a stock set of phrases rather than improvising “clever” answers.

Yesterday my ref had a really tricky and messy match. He was mostly great but had to handle some mouth. He will regret one reply that ended up: “I referee for men.” I would have gone with a stock “I try to see everything. Not every contact is a foul.” Etc.
 
RefereeX said:
A slight difference from what you posted, the wording in law is ‘a challenge for the ball’.
This means accidental tripping (which I pick as you specified tripping) wouldn’t be a red card if it’s part of a challenge for the ball (and inside the box)
It also means that an upper body tussle can result in only a yellow card if it’s a ‘challenge for the ball’.
What it can’t include is things like pushing / pulling opponent down or deliberate tripping.
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So with this in mind, a decision I made in a game on Thursday night where the keeper came to challenge the defender and tripped the attacker.
Definite penalty.
Gave yellow.
Considerations for me was I felt he was doing his best to block the ball and, together with a very wet pitch, slid in to the attacker a bit more than I expect he meant to.
 
ladbroke8745 said:
So with this in mind, a decision I made in a game on Thursday night where the keeper came to challenge the defender and tripped the attacker.
Definite penalty.
Gave yellow.
Considerations for me was I felt he was doing his best to block the ball and, together with a very wet pitch, slid in to the attacker a bit more than I expect he meant to.
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I would probably give another yellow for the keeper challenging his own defender 😁, but otherwise this sounds right to me. It's about your judgment if he intended to play the ball, hence challenge for the ball. And the convention is, the benefit of any doubt usually goes to the defenders.
 
one said:
I would probably give another yellow for the keeper challenging his own defender 😁, but otherwise this sounds right to me. It's about your judgment if he intended to play the ball, hence challenge for the ball. And the convention is, the benefit of any doubt usually goes to the defenders.
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Whoops.
Should proof read before posting lol
 
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