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ladbroke8745

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Oh my.
The new law regarding handball will result in many many penalties in the future. But makes it even harder for referees without assistants and especially VAR.
I mean, clearly not even thought about until VAR got involved.
She had to look at the video to double check.
If I go to a Sunday morning game, with the exact same scenario and angles, I'm not giving a penalty. But I bet I'll be moaned at all the time for not giving.

Now, in the 33rd minute the Scotland player had the arm up and it strikes the arm and the ball fells straight to her feet. No penalty.
But the arm up whilst defending the cross from about 4 yards out and VAR gives it.

Personally think they've made it harder.
 

zarathustra

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I don't think the law change has made it harder.

VAR is going to make it harder, especially when the Premier League start using it next season.

They'll see all the marginal or hard to see decisions being give and expect us to be able to do the same
 

ladbroke8745

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I don't think the law change has made it harder.

VAR is going to make it harder, especially when the Premier League start using it next season.

They'll see all the marginal or hard to see decisions being give and expect us to be able to do the same
That is what I was more leaning towards, but would you have given that as a penalty without VAR?
 
#4
Not sure what you mean by she had to look at vide to double check. The R always does an on field review for fouls. I think it has been clear from competitions using VR that handling PKs and OS are the most common applications.

At least so far in the WWC we haven’t seen a GK cautioned for being inches off the line on a PK save....
 
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That is what I was more leaning towards, but would you have given that as a penalty without VAR?
Under the standards being taught, that is a PK. Without VR, I don’t know I would be able to tell it hit the arm in live action. But, yes, with current guidance I would give it if I saw it.
 

zarathustra

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That is what I was more leaning towards, but would you have given that as a penalty without VAR?
It is usually an offence if a player:

touches the ball with their hand/arm when:

the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger

the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

Under the above it could be a handball, however, it was very close for me and I don't think the player would have had time to avoid the ball/move their arm
 
#7
It is usually an offence if a player:

touches the ball with their hand/arm when:

the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger

the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

Under the above it could be a handball, however, it was very close for me and I don't think the player would have had time to avoid the ball/move their arm
I don't believe that for this offence it matters now how close they are.
 

ladbroke8745

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It is usually an offence if a player:

touches the ball with their hand/arm when:

the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger

the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

Under the above it could be a handball, however, it was very close for me and I don't think the player would have had time to avoid the ball/move their arm
Then in the 33rd minute there was something very similar and no penalty.
Doesn't make sense.

Also when the ref went to watch the video, she actually stopped play with England starting to go forward again. What if she said no to the penalty. It'll be a dropped ball with players regrouped and better positioned.
Why not wait until it's out of play?
 
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