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[RustyRef]

See this is what I don't get, if you think from one angle it looks like heavy contact then why don't you think it's enough for the VAR to get involved with?

I disagree with Cristina saying the referee thought there was no contact because if he thought that then he should be given a free kick to Portugal and book the player for diving which ironically if that did happen, then sending the referee to the screen may be seen more justifiable by the pundits.

Because for me VAR should be for absolute clangers that would need 100 referees to look at it and 100 to say it was wrong. Almost every penalty decision in football is subjective, and they need to keep VAR interventions to those that are very, very, very obvious.

 

[Quarryref]

Forgive my ignorance, I don’t know who the lady giving advice on refereeing decisions on ITV is, but I like it! First time I’ve seen her, but I can’t disagree with anything I’ve heard her say

I think there is one amongst us who is already slightly in love with her .....

 

[benmc]

Bit late to the party on this debate, but to me it wasn't clear and obvious error so VAR should not have been involved. Giving a penalty is not wrong (but is soft), and not giving a penalty is also not wrong (the contact did not impeed his progress, the dive to the floor to exaggerate the contact did).

So I'm firmly on the fence

 

[Big Cat]

Newton's third law states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Ronaldo shirt pull is probably a PK, but the moment he throws himself to the ground, I'm thinking, Na....................
The second incident, the defender is pulling out of the challenge, the contact is a 'tap', the reaction is nowhere near equal and opposite. Not all contact in football is a foul, especially when action and reaction are significantly disproportionate

The reason the FA is promoting a high bar for upper body challenges, is because we can't trust the reaction. Both of these reactions should not be rewarded with a Penalty Kick, otherwise all we're doing is letting the players win with their gamesmanship (AKA cheating). We as Officials will never wrestle back control of the game (in general) by rewarding the existing cultures in the game

 

[deusex]

Some showing their anti- Ronaldo bias on here.
If that's not a penalty then shirt pulling has been made legal.

VAR has no business getting involved in the 2nd penalty shout.

 

[RefereeX]

Some showing their anti- Ronaldo bias on here.
If that's not a penalty then shirt pulling has been made legal.

VAR has no business getting involved in the 2nd penalty shout.

Rather ironic that you're accusing others of bias when it's quite clear the reason you make this comment is to do with your own Man Utd bias. I'm 100% team Ronaldo when it comes to Ronaldo vs Messi debate, but I don't think that's a clear penalty by any means.
Is it a foul, perhaps just about, but certainly not clear and obvious. The pulling / holding does relatively little to impact Ronaldo.

 

[Gabriel]

I'm on the fence. I'm 100% team Messi in that (slightly irrelevant!) debate, but I'm closer to thinking that shirt pull was a foul than thinking it wasn't.

 

[JamesL]

Rather ironic that you're accusing others of bias when it's quite clear the reason you make this comment is to do with your own Man Utd bias. I'm 100% team Ronaldo when it comes to Ronaldo vs Messi debate, but I don't think that's a clear penalty by any means.
Is it a foul, perhaps just about, but certainly not clear. The pulling / holding does very little to impact Ronaldo.

To be a foul it has to impact his movement as per holding definition.
I thought that it did, he was trying to move away from the defender towards the ball and he couldn't get away due to the holding.
If anything, it maybe didn't have enough impact before he threw himself down or wasn't sustained enough but if the referee had seen and given I don't think the VAR could have overturned it..

 

[RefereeX]

To be a foul it has to impact his movement as per holding definition.
I thought that it did, he was trying to move away from the defender towards the ball and he couldn't get away due to the holding.
If anything, it maybe didn't have enough impact before he threw himself down or wasn't sustained enough but if the referee had seen and given I don't think the VAR could have overturned it..

This is what I meant. On balance it probably just about did that, but because he threw himself down, I think that prevented what would have been a clear and obvious error not to award a penalty as it hadn't quite made it through. If that makes sense?

 

[ARF]

I think VAR got involved with the wrong penalty. The CR shirt pull is, to my eyes, one of the most obvious examples of a holding offence which impedes the opponent's movement that you can get. The Georgia penalty I don't believe is a foul, although had it been given on-field I'd accept it wouldn't have been a clear and obvious error. I certainly don't see how it was a C&O error to not give it!

 

[santa sangria]

I'm on the fence. I'm 100% team Messi in that (slightly irrelevant!) debate, but I'm closer to thinking that shirt pull was a foul than thinking it wasn't.

I creosote the fence so other referees can’t sit on it

 

[Gabriel]

I creosote the fence so other referees can’t sit on it

In that case I'm going no penalty because it was CR7's reaction to the holding that impeded his progress more than the actual holding!

 

[deusex]

Rather ironic that you're accusing others of bias when it's quite clear the reason you make this comment is to do with your own Man Utd bias. I'm 100% team Ronaldo when it comes to Ronaldo vs Messi debate, but I don't think that's a clear penalty by any means.
Is it a foul, perhaps just about, but certainly not clear and obvious. The pulling / holding does relatively little to impact Ronaldo.

I had hoped the 15 years since he last won the league with Man Utd would have been enough for me to see him through neutral eyes.
Clearly I was wrong.
My tinted goggles show a defender holding his shirt for some time with such force as to restrict his movement. Clearly I was mistaken.

 

[RefereeX]

I had hoped the 15 years since he last won the league with Man Utd would have been enough for me to see him through neutral eyes.
Clearly I was wrong.
My tinted goggles show a defender holding his shirt for some time with such force as to restrict his movement. Clearly I was mistaken.

I didn’t imply that you only think it’s a foul because of your United bias, I said that you only think that the reason others not thinking it’s a foul is because of their ABU bias because of your United bias…
But I won’t be drawn any further on that, as it’s not the topic of discussion.