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Keepers before kick off

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I did a game on Monday and away team scored after 19 seconds. The keeper started shouting at me that he did not have his gloves on.
He approached me again at half time to clarify.
I told him that after he was on the pitch, I had done the coin toss, spoke to both captains and physically counted the players on both sides. If he was not ready that wasn't my fault and he had plenty of time. He then said to me it was courtesy and all other refs signal to both keepers. I do normally do this but believed there was plenty of time. I also told him that gloves are not in the laws of the game and he doesn't have to wear them.
Just interested on views on here?
 

QuaverRef

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#2
Did you signal to both keepers before the kick off?

If you didn’t, I’d say you’re at fault here unfortunately. I don’t believe it’s in the LOTG that the referee signals to the keeper before KO but it’s standard practice. You should always do it, the keeper will always expect it and an assessor will question you about it
 

socal lurker

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#3
There is absolutely not a Laws requirement to treat GKs specially at the start of a half. I think there are many local differences/traditions on this.

Personally, I never signal to keepers. When i am an AR, I don't signal I am ready till the GK at my end is ready. As an R, I expect the same from my ARs-but I also look at the GKs to be sure they are ready--if he's still putting on his gloves, I'll let him finish. Why get grief on this one? (There may be rare exceptions on this when a team is delaying the start unreasonably, but that is very rare.)
 
#4
I didn't signal to either. I usually do.
This was at the start of the game. The keepers had warmed up with their teams. Not really sure why he didn't have his gloves on
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#5
I didn't signal to either. I usually do.
This was at the start of the game. The keepers had warmed up with their teams. Not really sure why he didn't have his gloves on
Youre right in what you’re saying, he doesn’t have to have the signal but he could have, for example, been doing his shoelaces whilst doing the coin toss. It’s just curtosey really
 

Ciley Myrus

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Stuff the gk, do we go round checking the centre half is ready?
Do your player count, by all means glance at goalie, make sure everybody is in own half,check in with ARs and off we go.
Had his team scored in xxx seconds he would not care, so, all things equal, stuff him.
Am not emailing every player to ask if they are ready!!
 
#8
Good reasons. Why shout to get a keeper's attention when he should realise the game's about to start and will know when I give a loud blast of the whistle.
 

markref

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#11
How long does it take to put gloves on? Even if he hadn’t got them on when the whistle blew, 19 seconds is plenty of time to put them on. He probably wanted to feel special!
I always check, but there’s no requirement to do so. I have actually been picked up on an assessment for doing so. I wasn’t marked down, but the assessor didn’t like it so said not to. (I disagree, and have always done it, except when he assessed me after that - ex football league, and generally good advice but not on that occasion)
 

one

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Did you signal to both keepers before the kick off?

If you didn’t, I’d say you’re at fault here unfortunately. I don’t believe it’s in the LOTG that the referee signals to the keeper before KO but it’s standard practice. You should always do it, the keeper will always expect it and an assessor will question you about it
No. Simply no. Not that it should be the standard but when was the last time you saw a top flight referee signalling to the keepers to see if they are ready.

For match control and make it easier for myself (not the players), before KO signal I look at may ARs as well as scan all player, including keepers, to see if any reason I shouldn't signal KO. There is no reason to ask individual players if they are ready. KO times are pre-determined and they should be ready for it in their position.
 
#13
I worked with a guy who would ask the captains the name of their keepers at the coin toss and then call out to them to ask if they were ready before kick-off using their names. It felt very creepy when they were females. Luckily he has retired now.

I'm in the visual check camp. On the odd occasion that I'm uncertain I'll make strong eye contact and if necessary point to them for confirmation. Seems to work. The calling out seems childish to me. Perhaps I'm just burnt from working with the creepy guy.
 

QuaverRef

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#14
No. Simply no. Not that it should be the standard but when was the last time you saw a top flight referee signalling to the keepers to see if they are ready.

For match control and make it easier for myself (not the players), before KO signal I look at may ARs as well as scan all player, including keepers, to see if any reason I shouldn't signal KO. There is no reason to ask individual players if they are ready. KO times are pre-determined and they should be ready for it in their position.
And when you don’t have AR’s? The reason I mentioned said to do it (as above) as because my assessors have mentioned it every single time
 

Ciley Myrus

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#15
I have no idea what the live Saturday lunchtime game is this week, or who is refereeing it.
Regardless, if he shouts "ready keeper" before kick off, I peel all my skin off and swim in a vat of vinegar.

Routine check all is in place, yes
Someone down tying boots, ok, they have milliseconds
Gk clearly fumbling about with something, ok, I give due attention

Actually asking if he is ready to start? Million per cent no.
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#16
I have no idea what the live Saturday lunchtime game is this week, or who is refereeing it.
Regardless, if he shouts "ready keeper" before kick off, I peel all my skin off and swim in a vat of vinegar.

Routine check all is in place, yes
Someone down tying boots, ok, they have milliseconds
Gk clearly fumbling about with something, ok, I give due attention

Actually asking if he is ready to start? Million per cent no.
Still talking about having no AR’s and not being in the professional capacity. I’m talking about bottom of the barrel, grassroots. It’s a 2 second task and saves aggro.
 

one

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And when you don’t have AR’s? The reason I mentioned said to do it (as above) as because my assessors have mentioned it every single time
I start my debrief to all referees I assess first time is that I am there to give them advice to help them develop, that's the easy part. Their job is much harder. Find the points that actually helps them develop. Hopefully its everything but in reality not everything is.

Any assessor who says to a referee they should signal to keepers and ask if they are ready (having AR or no AR) should think, is that a step forward in their development or is it a backward step?
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#18
I start my debrief to all referees I assess first time is that I am there to give them advice to help them develop, that's the easy part. Their job is much harder. Find the points that actually helps them develop. Hopefully its everything but in reality not everything is.

Any assessor who says to a referee they should signal to keepers and ask if they are ready (having AR or no AR) should think, is that a step forward in their development or is it a backward step?
It’s not a step in any direction, and why does it have to be? Would it have helped this referee in this match? 100% yes. It wouldn’t have affected his marks as it’s not part of the LOTG but it’s helps a referee and in this scenario, would have saved him an earful after that goal and subsequently, half time
 
#19
I have no idea what the live Saturday lunchtime game is this week, or who is refereeing it.
Regardless, if he shouts "ready keeper" before kick off, I peel all my skin off and swim in a vat of vinegar.

Routine check all is in place, yes
Someone down tying boots, ok, they have milliseconds
Gk clearly fumbling about with something, ok, I give due attention

Actually asking if he is ready to start? Million per cent no.
The lunchtime kick-off is the explosive Palace v Brighton derby. If Guaita is in goal for Palace then he won't understand any shouts from the ref as he can't speak English. If Hodgson has a senior moment and picks Wayne Hennessey in goal then we run the risk of Wayne giving a straight arm salute in acknowledgement. Let's hope the ref just gets on with it instead.
 
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