Leeds are throwing money at a problem again it seems!
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Leeds are throwing money at a problem again it seems!
With the incidents against Millwall, could be interesting what the FA will do.
Would be interesting if they got promoted and were forced to play at home behind closed doors - especially if the match was against Man Utd.
Time for the FA to grow some and deal with crowd trouble, before we have to go backwards.
Would be interesting if they got promoted and were forced to play at home behind closed doors - especially if the match was against Man Utd.
Time for the FA to grow some and deal with crowd trouble, before we have to go backwards.
Anyone think that there should be points deductions?? 
Yes please, what's the going rate? Ten?Anyone think that there should be points deductions??
Ciley Myrus
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Because if you are in a pub/nightclub and there is trouble, you risk fine/closure
If you were sat in the stand, did you point out to stewards/police who was responsible?
Perhaps because they are so called fans of the club? Who else would control them?
Chuck them in Division 3 for me! And take Millwall with you! 
"Mostly"?...........
All clubs have idiots, Millwall had about 700 the other week, they all came in the same car I think. 3000 Forest fans came and their wasn’t any issues.
To throw coins at a prone player is pretty low, to all concerned, ref, player and medics, although the bar at Leeds isn’t that high after the Spygate shenanigans anyway! God help the Prem if they get back!
To throw coins at a prone player is pretty low, to all concerned, ref, player and medics, although the bar at Leeds isn’t that high after the Spygate shenanigans anyway! God help the Prem if they get back!
Ciley Myrus
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its a huge topic here at the moment, its called, "strict liability" and nobody, clubs/government/police can come to an agreement on the protocol.
There will be a serious incident here, pyro device striking a player/official and then everyone will say, ah, if only we had put measures in place earlier.... (disclaimer nothing is fool proof but at the moment its a free for all)
we have already had an official with head split open by a coin, this season, from the away end at a game.
Who do you punish? The home side for giving the allocation to the away team?
The away team for selling the ticket to the clown?
The ticket was given to someone else after being sold to someone else in the away team ballot.
So, the away team did not actually sell the ticket to the clown
Do we then fine/ban/exterminate the guy who sold the ticket to his mate?
and round and round it goes....
There will be a serious incident here, pyro device striking a player/official and then everyone will say, ah, if only we had put measures in place earlier.... (disclaimer nothing is fool proof but at the moment its a free for all)
we have already had an official with head split open by a coin, this season, from the away end at a game.
Who do you punish? The home side for giving the allocation to the away team?
The away team for selling the ticket to the clown?
The ticket was given to someone else after being sold to someone else in the away team ballot.
So, the away team did not actually sell the ticket to the clown
Do we then fine/ban/exterminate the guy who sold the ticket to his mate?
and round and round it goes....
The answer is stadium closures. Yes it inconveniences innocent supporters, but less so than points deductions, and when the closure ends these innocent supporters will come down hard on those causing the trouble and point them out. Also, as it will cost the club a lot of money they will take extra steps to prevent it from happening again, be that extra stewards, paying for additional police, issuing long bans to offenders, etc. At the moment the clubs get miniscule fines (in the grand scheme of things) so there is no incentive for them to pay money to fix it. Whereas a stadium closure for a club like Leeds would cost up to £1 million per game when you take into account refunding season ticket holders, lost ticket revenue, lost food and drinks income, etc.
To use an analogy, it would be a bit like if the fine for not buying a car parking ticket was the same as the ticket itself. No one would bother buying a ticket as they would be no worse off if fined.
To use an analogy, it would be a bit like if the fine for not buying a car parking ticket was the same as the ticket itself. No one would bother buying a ticket as they would be no worse off if fined.
Ciley Myrus
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Hibs last week announced they are upgrading their CCTV to the cost of 100k.
A guy who ran on the park there a few weeks back was jailed for 3 months
Any reasonable fan would realise that 100k is a new player, possibly 2 and so on and its instead being spent on control measures for the teams own fans
The same week, Hearts, under their own steam, closed off a troublesome section of their ground ( i think for 2 games), but instead of refusing admission to the ST holders there, they have all been relocated to various other parts of the ground, the thinking being, they will behave when split up
Kilmarnock usually give both behind goal stands to Rangers, however, for the next game, they are giving them the one stand, disguised as to mark Killies birthday celebrations, but in reality, its cos of things thrown/seats damaged
I watched Andelecht v Leige 2 week ago being abandoned after 28 mins after 2 prev stoppages due to flares being thrown onto the park
Its not nobody doing these things. The folk who know who it is and keep quiet are not quite equally to blame, but have their part to play
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is forgood men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke .
If your a witness, your part of the problem.
A guy who ran on the park there a few weeks back was jailed for 3 months
Any reasonable fan would realise that 100k is a new player, possibly 2 and so on and its instead being spent on control measures for the teams own fans
The same week, Hearts, under their own steam, closed off a troublesome section of their ground ( i think for 2 games), but instead of refusing admission to the ST holders there, they have all been relocated to various other parts of the ground, the thinking being, they will behave when split up
Kilmarnock usually give both behind goal stands to Rangers, however, for the next game, they are giving them the one stand, disguised as to mark Killies birthday celebrations, but in reality, its cos of things thrown/seats damaged
I watched Andelecht v Leige 2 week ago being abandoned after 28 mins after 2 prev stoppages due to flares being thrown onto the park
Its not nobody doing these things. The folk who know who it is and keep quiet are not quite equally to blame, but have their part to play
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is forgood men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke .
If your a witness, your part of the problem.
"Exterminate", probably too good for them.......
Ciley Myrus
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Could be the half time entertainment. Last weeks offenders being executed on the park. Then least nobody can say they were not warned
The VARsical laws need a bit of tweaking
Don't give them ideas, remember these are Leeds fans....
Are there any precedents suggesting 'closed doors' makes a difference?
My take on it, if we accept ridiculous behaviour on the FOP, what do we expect from the stands?
Common sense and a civil sporting attitude perhaps?
Big ask I know........
Maybe it came out wrong what I meant was quite a few of the people who sit in that stand spend more time abusing the opposition players than watching the game.But people who I know who sit in their are just innocent supporters of Leeds who go there to watch their team