I think you are being unfair because UEFA reference arms, therefore they must exist, but the interpretation is out of possession players should magic their arms away, then magic them back.
Spain V Germany
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I think you are being unfair because UEFA reference arms, therefore they must exist, but the interpretation is out of possession players should magic their arms away, then magic them back.
I'd have said that 'good' fits quite comfortably between bad and great.
Is there different guidance being issued by UEFA/IFAB for what is considered a handball offence? In the IFAB Clarification document....https://www.theifab.com/documents/?documentType=all&language=en&years=2022....page 18 it shows a virtually identical scenario (hand is nearer body, attacker closer to defender) and it's classed 'unnaturally bigger - offence' - is this not the guidance we, at grassroots, are supposed to follow?
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From my understanding the current guidance from UEFA is that an arm that is straight down is used as a consideration as not an offense while the arm being out more at an angle like the one you showed is still an offense. For example in the most recent set of UEFA clips (RAP 2024-1), the following is still suggested as a handball and it seems similar in position to the FIFA example.
My guess is if you were to break down UEFA's view on the Germany/Spain incident it would be both "hand/arm in natural position" (when the contact occurs) and "Player tries to avoid hand contact with the ball". But we will have to wait for the Euro 2024 clips set to come out to be certain.
It's something we can learn from, not adopt outright
I'm not on the windup... honestly (for a change), but what's the point of these RAP videos if you're not a UEFA Referee?
Almost certainly, if we were to get guidance (from the FA), it would likely differ greatly from what the UEFA refs are instructed
Unless I'm missing something, UEFA (or the FA or anyone else) should not be allowed to invent their own rules
The only guidance to all of us should come from a single source (IFAB) and be disseminated properly to every Level of Referee in every country
Or we should all have different rule books (I'd be quite happy with this notion)
I agree. In 2024 IFAB should have libraries of clips freely online with explanations. But they don't so confederations and FAs have to take it on themselves to create material to train their refs.
Which presumably leads to more issues in the long run when it comes to international football. We've seen a difference in refereeing styles at these Euros, and there's certainly been a difference in AR-ing too which has made the whole thing look a little bit messy at times.
I agree that one central authority distributing the training materials would help this massively.
Actually they do, I've included the link in my post.