The image on post 55 suggests otherwise.
Very difficult to tell from that image. Benzema is turning back in at that time as Karius releases the ball, but he hasn't gone to block it at that time.
The image on post 55 suggests otherwise.
So ref. My post #57 - smalling, not jumping, but sticking a leg out to block the keepers kick, is legal and was wrongly peanalised?
Seems bizarre to me if that’s the case, and if not, then I don’t understand the difference between that and Benzema last night
The only question is does he go to block the ball after it was released or before it was released. If the former it is legal, if the latter it isn't.
What I would say is there wasn't much of a protest from Liverpool players.
Very difficult to tell from that image. Benzema is turning back in at that time as Karius releases the ball, but he hasn't gone to block it at that time.
I think you are misreading my comment. We are in agreement. I think he initiated his blocking action even before those clips.‘He is looking at the keeper and right foot extended at the exact moment of the release, not fully but enough to indicate its a blocking action‘
Sorry, but if he’s not initiating a ‘blocking action’ in those pics, then what on earth is he doing? Riverdance?
The ‘can of worms’ here is going to be well and truly opened- on Saturday& Sunday league games across the world!
I think you are misreading my comment. We are in agreement. I think he initiated his blocking action even before those clips.
Not in my games. I don't want attackers dancing around the keeper every time he has the ball. First time I see it, a nice loud warning. Next one an IFK. I doubt I would see it again in that game.The ‘can of worms’ here is going to be well and truly opened- on Saturday& Sunday league games across the world!
Except the law doesn't say the player has to prevent the release, just attempting to kick the ball while the keeper is in the process of releasing it could be enough. However it's not clear to me whether this clause should be applied to a throw by the keeper so I'm not sure how to interpret it. I've been thinking about it for a while today and I'd have to say I'm leaning more towards the 'no offence' interpretation of this particular incident.The picture though doesn't back up your argument Peter, he hasn't prevented anything, the release has occurred when he challenges!!
I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to but if you mean heading the ball out of the keeper's hand, or heading it as the keeper throws it up to kick it, that was specifically outlawed by FIFA in 2005, in a Q&A answer that has not been rescinded or superseded as far as I'm aware. If you're talking about a player heading the ball as the goalie is throwing it out then I'd have to see it to be able to judge it and I think it would depend on the exact circumstances, including how far away the player was.Surely going by the wording of the second part you quoted and the reference to kicking the ball, a player could head the ball and that isn’t technically an offence.
Not in my games. I don't want attackers dancing around the keeper every time he has the ball. First time I see it, a nice loud warning. Next one an IFK. I doubt I would see it again in that game.
Come to me after the game and I will explain it. Everyone wants to play the game now so lets get on with it.But ref Benzema did it...
Come to me after the game and I will explain it. Everyone wants to play the game now so lets get on with it.
That leaves three defender teammates of the GK free upfield - GK just throws it over the attackers to one of them. 10 against 7.I think the obvious question here is what are the potential consequences of this being deemed legal in such a high-profile match? The assumption has always been that you can't go near the keeper while he's releasing - and based on last night's match that's obviously less strict that it's always been assumed to be.
So if I'm a manager, I'm starting next season with instruction to my front 3 to surround the keeper every time he's got the ball in hand. Not to challenge the keeper while in the act of kicking or throwing, but make him feel uncomfortable, and to get a block in the split-second it leaves his hand or foot. Because when it's as effective as that and apparently legal, why wouldn't you?
Except the law doesn't say the player has to prevent the release, just attempting to kick the ball while the keeper is in the process of releasing it could be enough. However it's not clear to me whether this clause should be applied to a throw by the keeper so I'm not sure how to interpret it. I've been thinking about it for a while today and I'd have to say I'm leaning more towards the 'no offence' interpretation of this particular incident.
I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to but if you mean heading the ball out of the keeper's hand, or heading it as the keeper throws it up to kick it, that was specifically outlawed by FIFA in 2005, in a Q&A answer that has not been rescinded or superseded as far as I'm aware. If you're talking about a player heading the ball as the goalie is throwing it out then I'd have to see it to be able to judge it and I think it would depend on the exact circumstances, including how far away the player was.
99 out of 100 times I tell that to a player mid game, they get on with the game but they never approach me after the game (I wont charge you for this tip but there is small fee for the next one )Haha good luck explaining that one to a fella after the game, I hope you get paid overtime
Great analogy.There's an analogy in the quick free kick scenario:
if a player takes a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball intercepts it, the referee allows play to continue. However, an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play.
I can see one ref allowing an incident where the FK is "intercepted" (Benzama like) and the interceptor is allowed to take the ball and score, while another ref would caution the interceptor.