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UncleGoon said:
So ref. My post #57 - smalling, not jumping, but sticking a leg out to block the keepers kick, is legal and was wrongly peanalised?

Seems bizarre to me if that’s the case, and if not, then I don’t understand the difference between that and Benzema last night
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The only question is does he go to block the ball after it was released or before it was released. If the former it is legal, if the latter it isn't.

What I would say is there wasn't much of a protest from Liverpool players.
 
RustyRef said:
The only question is does he go to block the ball after it was released or before it was released. If the former it is legal, if the latter it isn't.

What I would say is there wasn't much of a protest from Liverpool players.
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Fair enough, thanks for the reply.

So post #55 clearly shows Benzema going to block the ball before it’s released- so it should have been disallowed?

Not trying to nitpick but I want to be clear on what’s legal and not!
 
RustyRef said:
Very difficult to tell from that image. Benzema is turning back in at that time as Karius releases the ball, but he hasn't gone to block it at that time.
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This should make it clearer

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He is looking at the keeper and right foot extended at the exact moment of the release, not fully but enough to indicate its a blocking action. VAR would have a much better resolution access. And as you say "does he go for" is the question. In slow motion it is very clear he started "going for the block" even before the time of the snapshot.
 
‘He is looking at the keeper and right foot extended at the exact moment of the release, not fully but enough to indicate its a blocking action‘

Sorry, but if he’s not initiating a ‘blocking action’ in those pics, then what on earth is he doing? Riverdance?
 
...I'm trying not to be convinced to avoid feeling like a Liverpool fan... but this looks more and more like an offence... would VAR have chalked this off?

The real issue here is that we have a potentially decisive goal in the (second) biggest game of the season that might or miht not have been an offence, that might or might not have been disallowed by VAR. Will UEFA/IFAB answer enquiries about this one I wonder... no one wants this can of worms!
 
The ‘can of worms’ here is going to be well and truly opened- on Saturday& Sunday league games across the world!
 
UncleGoon said:
‘He is looking at the keeper and right foot extended at the exact moment of the release, not fully but enough to indicate its a blocking action‘

Sorry, but if he’s not initiating a ‘blocking action’ in those pics, then what on earth is he doing? Riverdance?
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I think you are misreading my comment. We are in agreement. I think he initiated his blocking action even before those clips.
 
UncleGoon said:
The ‘can of worms’ here is going to be well and truly opened- on Saturday& Sunday league games across the world!
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I have to agree it’s not gonna make our lives any easier, it’ll be known up & down the land as the Benzema rule!

We can’t agree on here so how the hell are we meant to sell it to a bunch on a Sunday morning.
 
UncleGoon said:
The ‘can of worms’ here is going to be well and truly opened- on Saturday& Sunday league games across the world!
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Not in my games. I don't want attackers dancing around the keeper every time he has the ball. First time I see it, a nice loud warning. Next one an IFK. I doubt I would see it again in that game.
 
Sheffields Finest said:
The picture though doesn't back up your argument Peter, he hasn't prevented anything, the release has occurred when he challenges!!
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Except the law doesn't say the player has to prevent the release, just attempting to kick the ball while the keeper is in the process of releasing it could be enough. However it's not clear to me whether this clause should be applied to a throw by the keeper so I'm not sure how to interpret it. I've been thinking about it for a while today and I'd have to say I'm leaning more towards the 'no offence' interpretation of this particular incident.
alexgr said:
Surely going by the wording of the second part you quoted and the reference to kicking the ball, a player could head the ball and that isn’t technically an offence.
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I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to but if you mean heading the ball out of the keeper's hand, or heading it as the keeper throws it up to kick it, that was specifically outlawed by FIFA in 2005, in a Q&A answer that has not been rescinded or superseded as far as I'm aware. If you're talking about a player heading the ball as the goalie is throwing it out then I'd have to see it to be able to judge it and I think it would depend on the exact circumstances, including how far away the player was.
 
one said:
Not in my games. I don't want attackers dancing around the keeper every time he has the ball. First time I see it, a nice loud warning. Next one an IFK. I doubt I would see it again in that game.
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But ref Benzema did it...
 
one said:
Come to me after the game and I will explain it. Everyone wants to play the game now so lets get on with it.
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Haha good luck explaining that one to a fella after the game, I hope you get paid overtime :D
 
GraemeS said:
I think the obvious question here is what are the potential consequences of this being deemed legal in such a high-profile match? The assumption has always been that you can't go near the keeper while he's releasing - and based on last night's match that's obviously less strict that it's always been assumed to be.

So if I'm a manager, I'm starting next season with instruction to my front 3 to surround the keeper every time he's got the ball in hand. Not to challenge the keeper while in the act of kicking or throwing, but make him feel uncomfortable, and to get a block in the split-second it leaves his hand or foot. Because when it's as effective as that and apparently legal, why wouldn't you?
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That leaves three defender teammates of the GK free upfield - GK just throws it over the attackers to one of them. 10 against 7.
 
Another lengthy, fruitless and ultimately pointless debate by confusedreferees.com 🤔
None of the posts are right or wrong imo. Just a book which leaves us with, 'what football expects'
 
Peter Grove said:
Except the law doesn't say the player has to prevent the release, just attempting to kick the ball while the keeper is in the process of releasing it could be enough. However it's not clear to me whether this clause should be applied to a throw by the keeper so I'm not sure how to interpret it. I've been thinking about it for a while today and I'd have to say I'm leaning more towards the 'no offence' interpretation of this particular incident.

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to but if you mean heading the ball out of the keeper's hand, or heading it as the keeper throws it up to kick it, that was specifically outlawed by FIFA in 2005, in a Q&A answer that has not been rescinded or superseded as far as I'm aware. If you're talking about a player heading the ball as the goalie is throwing it out then I'd have to see it to be able to judge it and I think it would depend on the exact circumstances, including how far away the player was.
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There are two separate offences -
prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from the hands or kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it.

I don't think that in Benzema's case he was close enough for either to apply.

There's an analogy in the quick free kick scenario:
if a player takes a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball intercepts it, the referee allows play to continue. However, an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play.

I can see one ref allowing an incident where the FK is "intercepted" (Benzama like) and the interceptor is allowed to take the ball and score, while another ref would caution the interceptor.
 
Men in Black said:
Haha good luck explaining that one to a fella after the game, I hope you get paid overtime :D
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99 out of 100 times I tell that to a player mid game, they get on with the game but they never approach me after the game :) (I wont charge you for this tip but there is small fee for the next one ;) )
 
bloovee said:
There's an analogy in the quick free kick scenario:
if a player takes a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball intercepts it, the referee allows play to continue. However, an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play.

I can see one ref allowing an incident where the FK is "intercepted" (Benzama like) and the interceptor is allowed to take the ball and score, while another ref would caution the interceptor.
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Great analogy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/927472946838249472

And here is the refchat debate for it. Just about everyone was happy with a yellow card.

https://www.refchat.co.uk/threads/yellow-or-play-on.10649/
 
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