It seems a bit pedantic that we can't digress from topic somewhat to understand the context of one another's views. My exchange with
@Padfoot was quarrelsome, but no more than necessary to probe the other person's thinking
Unless I missed something, my deleted messages were respectful of your superior experience and I certainly took no offence from your replies
@Padfoot , I could delve through previous posts and on-line resources to justify my opinion on the penalty subject, but the Moderators have extinguished my enthusiasm for this thread. We'll cross paths again I'm sure, but only briefly before reasonable dialogue is expunged