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I thought the existing sin bin structure was complicated, but this is next level. If your second yellow is dissent - what's he proposing if the first yellow is dissent? Not thought through obviously.

I think there are improvements to the current sin bin system to be made - including a clearer set of cards and when we can/can't use those cards, but he's well off the mark on the way he's approaching this.
 
I haven't listened to it but I get the impression it really shows lack of law knowledge and the divide and disconnect between grassroots and pro game.

He's essentially advocating for something that already exists at lower levels, like its a new idea, but it's something I think lots of us have said should have been implemented top down.
 
I haven't listened to it but I get the impression it really shows lack of law knowledge and the divide and disconnect between grassroots and pro game.

He's essentially advocating for something that already exists at lower levels, like its a new idea, but it's something I think lots of us have said should have been implemented top down.
My initial thoughts were that it’s basically what the sin bin is used for, and could be just implemented at elite level.
 
How many players have had a second yellow for dissent in the EPL? It's not even a once a season event.

I doubt bringing in a sin bin would mean dissent is more likely to be punished for second yellows as dissent yellows are nearly non-existent for first yellows.
 
as i've said on here before, i think sin bins are a tool that could work in the pro game for other things besides dissent as well. in particular i'd use them for unsporting offences like SPA
 
Summary - Simon Jordan talks about something which already exists and spins it off to make it his own, more complicated idea.
 
If you’ve already been cautioned and warned to your conduct for the remainder of the match and THEN you still gob off to a match official, you probably deserve to have next weekend off for being a bellend.
 
Has there ever been a second caution for dissent in the EPL? There have been players cautioned for dissent and then subsequently sent off for a second non-dissent caution, but I can't remember anyone walking for dissent. All it would do in increase dissent as players already on a caution would know they have a get out of jail free card, or at least almost free as they only get a sin bin. Very much a non-existant problem that doesn't need fixing.
 
Has there ever been a second caution for dissent in the EPL? There have been players cautioned for dissent and then subsequently sent off for a second non-dissent caution, but I can't remember anyone walking for dissent. All it would do in increase dissent as players already on a caution would know they have a get out of jail free card, or at least almost free as they only get a sin bin. Very much a non-existant problem that doesn't need fixing.

I don't think that is the point he is making. Referees in EPL don't caution for dissent as second caution because they have to send off the player. It's all part of the directive to keep players in the game. His point is they are more likely to take action if they have a sin bin option.

But to me lowering the punishment so that it is easier to apply is not the solution. Encouraging the referees to apply the higher punishment without fear of being punished themselves is the right way. Short term we would miss some stars for some games. Long term, they will learn and we won't have to dish it out.
 
Has there ever been a second caution for dissent in the EPL? There have been players cautioned for dissent and then subsequently sent off for a second non-dissent caution, but I can't remember anyone walking for dissent. All it would do in increase dissent as players already on a caution would know they have a get out of jail free card, or at least almost free as they only get a sin bin. Very much a non-existant problem that doesn't need fixing.

Not EPL, but there was 2nd yellow for dissent in an England friendly international about a month ago against Ivory Coast.

 
Has there ever been a second caution for dissent in the EPL? There have been players cautioned for dissent and then subsequently sent off for a second non-dissent caution, but I can't remember anyone walking for dissent. All it would do in increase dissent as players already on a caution would know they have a get out of jail free card, or at least almost free as they only get a sin bin. Very much a non-existant problem that doesn't need fixing.

Very few straight red for offensive etc too

Can recall Rob Styles sending off a then Newcastle Alan Smith at Old Trafford but to pretend there has been no language worthy of a red is fooling nobody
 
Has there ever been a second caution for dissent in the EPL? There have been players cautioned for dissent and then subsequently sent off for a second non-dissent caution, but I can't remember anyone walking for dissent. All it would do in increase dissent as players already on a caution would know they have a get out of jail free card, or at least almost free as they only get a sin bin. Very much a non-existant problem that doesn't need fixing.
Not that I recall. It did happen in the FA Cup in 2018. Graham Scott reduced Chelsea to 9 after 2 yellows for Morata (simulation and dissent) in the space of 10 seconds.

 
Very few straight red for offensive etc too

Can recall Rob Styles sending off a then Newcastle Alan Smith at Old Trafford but to pretend there has been no language worthy of a red is fooling nobody

i'd go so far as to say that if the same level of dissent / offinabus happened in our games, there'd be red / sin bins every single game
 
i'd go so far as to say that if the same level of dissent / offinabus happened in our games, there'd be red / sin bins every single game

Even my example there, am sure it was a dislike from Smoth to Styles from previous games, so, premeditated.
 
Not EPL, but there was 2nd yellow for dissent in an England friendly international about a month ago against Ivory Coast.


Yeah, but that was only because he had forgotten he had already cautioned him, hence the significantly delay in the red coming out.
 
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