Yes but this basically says if fan has enough money to challenge court will overturn ban due to this ruling and even private buissness can’t trial people twice.You are missing the point, it is private property and owners will always have a right to say who they will allow in. No different to being banned for life from a pub or club, and there are loads of examples of it. Gillingham banned a fan for life late last year for racist behaviour, Sheffield Wednesday banned a fan for life for a racist tweet aimed at Darren Moore, and so on.
You are so wrong here. That's like saying I could come to your house and demand entry, then take you to court if you refuse to let me in.Yes but this basically says if fan has enough money to challenge court will overturn ban due to this ruling and even private buissness can’t trial people twice.
No I’m saying if I took you to court and you were convicted of breaking and entering couldn’t then sue you separately for it which is the law.You are so wrong here. That's like saying I could come to your house and demand entry, then take you to court if you refuse to let me in.
No one is suggesting suing separatelyNo I’m saying if I took you to court and you were convicted of breaking and entering couldn’t then sue you separately for it which is the law.
That literally makes no sense whatsoever.No I’m saying if I took you to court and you were convicted of breaking and entering couldn’t then sue you separately for it which is the law.
And any judge is going to quash it per 2014 ruling and probably order clubs to pay legal costs a judge isn’t going to risk his job to help a football club police fans.That literally makes no sense whatsoever.
You said that a club cannot ban a supporter for life. They can, because doing so isn't extending a football banning order, it is controlling who has access to their premises, something that any premises owner can do. I've given examples of clubs that have publicly done it. Many clubs even reference it in their terms and conditions, for example as in Sheffield Wednesday's reproduced below.
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You are misinterpreting the 2014 judgement. It talks about extending a ban or prosecuting someone twice for the same offence, but a club banning an individual from their property isn't extending a ban or prosecuting anyone, it is just doing what any property owner is entitled to do. Every football club has an army of legal experts, do you really think they would publish things in their ground regulations that aren't legal?And any judge is going to quash it per 2014 ruling and probably order clubs to pay legal costs a judge isn’t going to risk his job to help a football club police fans.
The previous owner of my team banned somebody who spoke out about him. Permanent and no court had been involved.You are missing the point, it is private property and owners will always have a right to say who they will allow in. No different to being banned for life from a pub or club, and there are loads of examples of it. Gillingham banned a fan for life late last year for racist behaviour, Sheffield Wednesday banned a fan for life for a racist tweet aimed at Darren Moore, and so on.
A previous Sheffield Wednesday owner took it a step further. He issued lifetime bans to a group of supporters and took them to court for libel.The previous owner of my team banned somebody who spoke out about him. Permanent and no court had been involved.
A football club is a private venue and anybody can be banned regardless.
Yes Stevenage had to alter there’s for doing exactly that as I knew the lawyer who flagged it.You are misinterpreting the 2014 judgement. It talks about extending a ban or prosecuting someone twice for the same offence, but a club banning an individual from their property isn't extending a ban or prosecuting anyone, it is just doing what any property owner is entitled to do. Every football club has an army of legal experts, do you really think they would publish things in their ground regulations that aren't legal?
Yet most of the Premier League clubs, who all have top lawyers on the payroll, have it in their ground conditions. A very quick and cursory Google search shows that Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds, Spurs and West Ham have all recently issued lifetime bans to supporters.Yes Stevenage had to alter there’s for doing exactly that as I knew the lawyer who flagged it.
Yes and FSA got the West Ham one quashed in court in under a hour.Yet most of the Premier League clubs, who all have top lawyers on the payroll, have it in their ground conditions. A very quick and cursory Google search shows that Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds, Spurs and West Ham have all recently issued lifetime bans to supporters.
My goodness, you're good. You can tell all of that from looking at a short video clip?Shocking, the person should face the full consequences of the law. He looks like a younger person, possibly on drugs and/or mental health issues.
Do you have a source for that? The only such case that I can find was where a West Ham fan had a lifetime ban overturned because it was a case of mistaken identity.Yes and FSA got the West Ham one quashed in court in under a hour.
On Tuesday he got a call back from the club advising him that he’d been banned in error, in a case of mistaken identity.
West Ham have issued a lifetime ban to a fan and also passed on their evidence to the police after he was caught on camera hurling racially offensive abuse at rival fans.
West Ham have vowed to dish out lifetime bans to any supporter found guilty of homophobic abuse following two arrests during Saturday's draw with Brighton.
The spokesman added: "The court may have overturned the banning order ..."
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"The individual remains subject to an indefinite ban, therefore he will not be allowed entry into home matches or have access to any away match tickets."
Not sure it’s enforceable when tested what you just showed is clubs act illegally which interesting.And here's another case, from 2022, which clearly shows that while court-imposed banning orders are time-limited and can be overturned, bans imposed by clubs can still be imposed indefinitely.
Albion fan who overturned court football ban not welcome at matches
IF it was illegal for a club to ban somebody for life would an individual not have taken the club to court, won (if you're right) and this debate would not even be taking place?Not sure it’s enforceable when tested what you just showed is clubs act illegally which interesting.