Based on many of the comments, does football not expect red?Obvious?
Distance from goal?
Location of defenders?
I think the considerations help here. There is a lot to do before this is obvious and it is so far from goal. I think it has to be yellow.
NoBased on many of the comments, does football not expect red?
Says who?
Only because people on social media like to criticise every referee decision. Had the referee shown red, I think there'd have been twice the number of comments (probably including some of the same people) posting that it's never a red, the referee's ruined the match, he doesn't understand the game etc. etc.Based on many of the comments, does football not expect red?
I'm merely playing devil's advocate here, but when we say 'what football expects'; what exactly do we mean? Who is football to make the decision of what it expects?Only because people on social media like to criticise every referee decision. Had the referee shown red, I think there'd have been twice the number of comments (probably including some of the same people) posting that it's never a red, the referee's ruined the match, he doesn't understand the game etc. etc.
Obviously most people who agree with the decision aren't going to bother commenting on it to say so, so you can't assume that means that "football expects" what these naysayers are spouting.
I can't even answer that - maybe it should be done like Ask the Audience on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? with everyone in the stadium having an app on their phone with multiple choice answers, the highest %age answer comes up on the big screen and the referee has to act accordingly?I'm merely playing devil's advocate here, but when we say 'what football expects'; what exactly do we mean? Who is football to make the decision of what it expects?
We have something similar to that. It's called VAR. Only it's a lot less accurate than your ideaI can't even answer that - maybe it should be done like Ask the Audience on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? with everyone in the stadium having an app on their phone with multiple choice answers, the highest %age answer comes up on the big screen and the referee has to act accordingly?
Because a red card would be incorrect in law due to the 4 considerations of DOGSO.Says who?
Plenty of the comments suggest red, as they think he's away if the handball doesn't happen. I personally think yellow, but football to some extent thinks red.
This is what I was saying about in the other thread, 'what football expects' is only used when it suits.
I'm more qualified than you'll ever knowBecause a red card would be incorrect in law due to the 4 considerations of DOGSO.
I actually don't disagree with your devils advocate, because it is horrendously cynical and the Watford player is likely to go on and have a GSO, however, as others have pointed out, it doesn't tick the distance to goal or the location and number of defenders consideration.
Even you have said yourself you think it is yellow, assuming you are a qualified referee, you have a better understanding of the LOTG than "football" who are effectively fans or rival fans on social media suggesting a decision is wrong because it didn't favour them.
Your reference to the other thread and 'what football expects' is because in the other thread the goalkeeper deliberately handles the ball outside the box, which in 99% of circumstances is considered a red card offence and has been since most fans can remember.
The foundation on which Refchat is based on!We could probably have this debate all night and not agree.
To be fair I was there yesterday and thought it was curving towards the corner flag (and away from Martins) in real time, so I think yellow was the correct decision.We could probably have this debate all night and not agree.
In my opinion, the LOTG don't allow for it and "football doesn't expect" a red card simply because of the distance to goal, there is still 56 yards of football to be played.
Watford fans may cry until the cows come home that it should be a red card, but they are not neutral.
The only 'requirement' for DOGSO is that the referee believes that the offence has denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity. The four considerations are just that ... things for a referee to consider before deciding whether it's an OGSO. In my opinion, at this skill level, the next touch of the ball will be by the yellow striker, around 30m from goal and he will then have a 1 on 1 with the keeper ... I'm calling that DOGSO. At lower levels of football, a yellow would definitely preferable because the obviousness of the GSO would decreaseEasy, it’s a caution. Red would be rescinded and you’d get a low mark of the observer!
But yeh doesn’t meet requirements for dogso