Is kicking the ball away dissent or delaying the restart?
I ask as (from memory) I've given a couple of yellows this season for kicking the ball away - I think I put them through as C4 - delaying restart, not C2 dissent. Have I got this wrong?
As there are no official guidelines as to what constitutes 'dissent', where do you draw the line and issue a caution for words or actions?
What Rusty says is spot on. You have to be seen to deal with it somehow.
I basically judge it on the way it's delivered. If the dissent is aggressive (so they've kicked the ball 50 yards, or screamed something at me) then I'll be far less tolerant of it than if it's general frustration. But, if I find the best games I have are when you talk to the players rather than just jumping straight to cards, but obviously there will be occasions when cards are necessary.
For the general whining, frustration stuff I don't like to be too heavy handed, but equally it can get out of hand if you do nothing. This is where the stepped approach works best. So first time I'll have a quiet word when I'm running past a player ("I know you disagree, but once I've made a decision let's just get on with the game, ok?"), then I'll have a public word, then I'll speak to the player and the captain and then it's a card. When it's the third time you're speaking to a player publicly, you've set them up appropriately for the card so you'll have few complaints.
The other thing I've started doing, which I picked up from a level 4 referee, is when I'm talking to the teams, checking equipment etc I'll specifically mention dissent there, rather than just to the captains at the coin toss. So I now say something along the lines of "You're not going to agree with every decision I give, but once I've given it, I'm not going to change it. So I'd advise you to save your breath, and save your money for the bar rather than wasting it arguing with me, ok?"
I've really noticed that it has helped my match control, as when anyone starts with any backchat someone from their team will normally pipe up with "C'mon Dave, you heard what he said before the game, he's given it so let's move on." It really helps when their own team manage it for you, so putting it in their head from the beginning is something worth trying.
You're right, that's slightly poorly expressed. What I mean is that their dissent isn't going to get me to change my decision, I will only change if it I *know* I've made a mistake.
And indeed having told player pre match that you wont change a call, to then come to the once incident that you realise you have to change it, you now have both teams on your back !
"oi ref, you said you wont change a decision"
Kicking the ball away is delaying the restart not dissent???Good advice from Rusty. I'd add that Dissent by Action (kicking a ball away, throwing a ball to the ground, sarcastic clapping etc) generally needs firm handling as it is so obvious to everyone in the ground .... whereas dissent by word can (in some cases) be less obvious and therefore have less impact on your Match Control
As the walloper's earlier response mentioned, it could be either (or both).Kicking the ball away is delaying the restart not dissent???
Thanks Peter. And worth bearing in mind when you choose your caution code that on some leagues (including my Supply League) there are Respect 'League Tables' so a dissent caution might have a bigger impact or be part of a cumulative effect leading to financial sanctions for the team involved.As the walloper's earlier response mentioned, it could be either (or both).
Unfortunately no. That's a clear red card because the language used is definitely Insulting and AbusiveI had a player call an opponent a f****** ginger pr*** right in front of my face when I had both players in to talk to them, I showed a yellow card - correct decision?
I had a player call an opponent a f****** ginger pr*** right in front of my face when I had both players in to talk to them, I showed a yellow card - correct decision?