So you'd permit a defender to jump in front of a keeper as he's releasing the ball?100% goal for me, Division 4 Dog & Duck goalkeeping for this and particulally the other one! Why do GKs try and Parry shots these days, surely they know the current guidelines on picking the ball back up? Sadly, this one was in the back of his net!!
But he clearly didn't!! The pic (post 39) clearly shows the release and the player isn't challenging him, how much evidence do you need!!! Clearly!So you'd permit a defender to jump in front of a keeper as he's releasing the ball?
That's a no goal for me - why is it legal? He's blocked the keeper's release. He's stuck his leg out as the keeper is releasing it - that's the definition of preventing the keeper from releasing the ball!
Unless attackers are now allowed to run across the front of the keeper and jump as they're releasing it? The release of the ball goes beyond the moment the ball leaves the hand - the keeper had no opportunity to return the ball to the field.
A player, 1-2 yards away, sticks his leg out to block the path of the ball. That isn't blocking it?
Where are you getting that quote from?
Liverpool fan posting alert! My first reaction was goal. Karrius made a huge goalie woopsie and got punished. Every time I see it it is being thrown out to a player and intercepted by Benzema. Fair goal good decision poor goal keeping. And then the third goal ........ I will be surprised if he ever pulls on a Liverpool shirt again. 2 huge mistakes and a wonder goal. Well done Madrid from a sad Liverpool fan
The part of the law about not being allowed to challenge a keeper when they have control of the ball is not really the most applicable section. The part that most closely applies here, is surely the one that says it is an offence if a player:Did Benzema challenge Karius while he was still in control of the ball? No. Karius had thrown the ball to distribute it so he was no longer in control of it once it was released from his hands. However, the GK is still in control of the ball while "throwing it in the air" when they are going to punt it. That's why you see it called when an attacker prevents the GK from punting the ball.
prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from the hands or kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
He hasn't prevented the release, but has he kicked or attempted to kick the ball while the keeper was in the process of releasing it? Depending on how exactly you define "in the process of releasing it," you could conceivably argue yes - or no.Player is at least THREE yards from the keepers release and flat footed (no challenge), how has he possibly prevented his release??? Keeper then released it and he charged the throw down. GOAL.... next!!
The picture though doesn't back up your argument Peter, he hasn't prevented anything, the release has occurred when he challenges!!He hasn't prevented the release, but has he kicked or attempted to kick the ball while the keeper was in the process of releasing it? Depending on how exactly you define "in the process of releasing it," you could conceivably argue yes - or no.
He hasn't prevented the release, but has he kicked or attempted to kick the ball while the keeper was in the process of releasing it? Depending on how exactly you define "in the process of releasing it," you could conceivably argue yes - or no.
By Lee Mason, yesNo, but that's why the distance is important as I believe it is the intention to challenge or block the ball whilst the keeper has it under control. I put it at two yards max, and when Karius is still touching the ball, Benzema is moving his leg to block the ball. It's definitely fishy for me. It might be a **** up by the goalkeeper but that doesn't mean it's right by law. That's why we are all here in these threads, to look back at decisions and come to the right conclusion with the benefit of time and replays so we can learn and hopefully apply it to our own games.
It goes to show though, the Wilson/Bournemouth that @bester posted was disallowed and the Benzema goal was allowed so there's definitely a difference in how this law is applied sometimes.
100% goal for me, Division 4 Dog & Duck goalkeeping for this and particulally the other one! Why do GKs try and Parry shots these days, surely they know the current guidelines on picking the ball back up? Sadly, this one was in the back of his net!!View attachment 1986
The question for me is, what do the phrases "prevents [...] from releasing" and "in the process of releasing" mean, exactly? I think we all agree that a forward sticking a leg in when the keeper has thrown the ball up to kick it is an offence but what about situations like this when the goalie is throwing it out? For me, that is a whole lot less clear. I can see arguments both ways.
An attacker jumping in front of a keeper as he's kicking isn't challenging - what's the difference between doing that and sticking the foot out to block a roll?But he clearly didn't!! The pic (post 39) clearly shows the release and the player isn't challenging him, how much evidence do you need!!! Clearly!
It's illegal because the laws prevent an opponent from blocking the release. He had to move and stretch to block the release - the ball wasn't thrown right at him.If it’s not illegal to stand 2-3yrds away then why is it illegal to stick a boot out when the keeper has ridiculously thrown the ball in your direction?
The blame lays with one man only and that’s the keeper.
I understand the terminology of the law but you have to draw the line somewhere and I believe last night was more than fair.
On last nights goal I’d say the ball had been released and was on its journey fully packed with passport in hand, the process was long over.
Simple solution no player can stand in a 5yrd radius of keeper when he has ball in hand, if you make an attempt to block or any such like within 5yrds when ball has been released it’s a caution.
But for me Benzema goal was a ok.