Yeah but when they have gone through that course they're going to use that as an excuse to continue to argue with me even though they are biased.Yeah it doesn’t affect me in any material way at all, it’s just annoying when you’ve had a great game but get marked down because their players were acting up.
To be honest it can work the other way too, getting really good marks after a fairly average performance. I do think maybe managers should be made to sit through a basic LotG introduction at a grassroots level, if this doesn’t already happen, as even during the games very few have any idea what they’re talking about.
How do you know what your club marks are game by game?I find club marks to be an insanely unfair way of doing things. It’s no coincidence that my club marks in games where there have been controversial incidents, even when I’m 100% my decisions were correct, are lower than usual.
I you can email the person in charge of it for your league, for me last week when i was called by league secetary I just asked him then. But it dependsHow do you know what your club marks are game by game?
I honestly didn't care about club marks when level 5,6&7.
They mean very very little in the grand scheme of things.
Yes, just because I didn't care what I got doesn't mean I didn't care about the games I refereed.I write software which allocates referees to matches in a league, either completely automated or semi-automated, and then uploads the referee assignments to fulltime.
One of the most requested features from league and county referee secs is to be able to order referees by their average club mark rather than their level. So although they are meaningless in terms of your referee progression they can have an influence on which games you get within a league.
The problem I face though is even though I referee to the best of my ability and it was a good match till I sent off one of their players for a homophobic slur, then next thing your know I go from 75-82 marks to like 60. So I kinda feel like its not the best systemYes, just because I didn't care what I got doesn't mean I didn't care about the games I refereed.
I referee' games to the best of my ability and the club marks, hopefully (obviously), looked after themselves.
Whether I know what the mark is or not does not really influence anything at all.
The problem I face though is even though I referee to the best of my ability and it was a good match till I sent off one of their players for a homophobic slur, then next thing your know I go from 75-82 marks to like 60. So I kinda feel like its not the best system
Propose a viable alternative then. There are nowhere near enough observers as it is to be able to see all promotion candidates, to extend to non-promotion candidates is a non-starter.The problem I face though is even though I referee to the best of my ability and it was a good match till I sent off one of their players for a homophobic slur, then next thing your know I go from 75-82 marks to like 60. So I kinda feel like its not the best system
They aren't used in England at grass roots for promotion any more.Club marks are invaluable but a terrible metric to base advancement on.
Send off a captain for VC…
Do you think they'll stopped being used at L4 and above any time soon?They aren't used in England at grass roots for promotion any more.
As RustyRef has said, we don't have enough observers able to cover Level 4 referees, and that's just for promotion candidates.Do you think they'll stopped being used at L4 and above any time soon?
When I asked my secretary for my league about it since he was also incidentally my observer for one of my games it was like Kref you're doing well, but you're going to get games where you have high and low, but don't worry about that and just do your best.Look, it is 100% fact that after my first game as a Level 4, absurdly I was top on observer marks and rock bottom on club marks
But that's just an extreme tail to tell the Grandkids
The next game, my observer and club marks tallied up
Point being, despite my insane one game contradiction, I do believe in the value of club marks, although their value is less than the independent educated assessments we get from observers
I think County Refs are well entitled to ask for a summary of club marks at the end of the season, but it's a mistake to focus on them too much because doing so will paradoxically lead to poor refereeing. Definitely, we mustn't pay much attention to club marks on a game by game basis. The roller-coaster is just not worth the emotional investment