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Man Utd Vs Liverpool

Match Official requirements for 2026 World Cup.
Ball will be fitted with a sensor.
Canon and Nikon to provide hundreds of cameras around each ground.
VAR x 4 (1 each for offside, yellow card and red card incidents, and a further specialist for other misconduct)'
AR not required - all offsides and ins / outs dealt with by technology.
Additional AR - not required (as above)
Reserve AR - not required (as above)
Fourth official - give the substitute board to a ball boy (kids are better with technology) and just let the managers fight (Conte v Tuchel part2, the "tussle on the touchline")
REFEREE - probably won't need one. Send the ball out on a remote controlled car, use a buzzer controlled by VAR to start, restart or stop the game when necessary and just let the captains use "scissors, paper, rock" for kick off.

There has been a lot of discussion / disagreement this week, so this is just a tongue in cheek post - (but for those of you hoping to be at elite level in 12 years time, you might have no work). 😂
 
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Big Cat said:
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Once they employ the technology proposed at the World Cup, all this will go away. No stupid drawing of lines etc. The AI can and will determine the location of many many skeletal positions in 3-dimensional space. And I've read white-papers which claim the process is very precise and accurate (two cm or less) and instantaneous. For now, a human will still be required to determine an offside offence, but it's only a matter of time (from what I've read) before the AI will threaten the need for a Match Official

That's the thing with VAR, ultimately, it's to the demise of on-field Match Officials. Bizarrely however, it's mostly the Refereeing Community (and of course the 'money men') who are driving the process towards that outcome. What's great for prolonging careers right now, will ultimately negate the need for them in the future

The top two thirds of this post is fact. The last bit is obviously my projection of where I'm confident we're headed
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AI? I hope not - it might learn to be a fan of one team.
 
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bloovee said:
It's about technology that (from other posts) can give a player who's 5cm offside (and looks offside) as onside!

I can hardly believe that we're now saying "It's only offside if there's daylight between the lines"!
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Not sure all the details will be the same now as they were three years ago, but here's a simple explanation as to why there has to be a margin of error.

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ARF said:
Not sure all the details will be the same now as they were three years ago, but here's a simple explanation as to why there has to be a margin of error.

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At the World Cup and beyond, the ball will contain accelerometers that detect when the ball is first kicked (Frame A)
Therefore Frame B will be irrelevant. But you're right to point out this absurdity has existed up to this point in time
 
ARF said:
Not sure all the details will be the same now as they were three years ago, but here's a simple explanation as to why there has to be a margin of error.

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It's a pity VAR didn't adopt the instructions to ARs - only flag if you are certain it's offside.

Edited: This has generated reports. @bloovee I don't know how many times we have to tell you to stop digging up years old incidents to try and demonstrate some kind of injustice or bias against Man City. It stops and it stops now otherwise you will be put onto moderator preview. Consider this as a forum version of a refereeing public warning. Rather than just deleting, everyone has now seen the referee (me) give the public warning so if it happens again they will expect me (or other mods to act) 😂

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The problem with the detecting when the ball is kicked is, are they detecting when the ball is first kicked, moves away from the foot or leaves the foot?
 
ladbroke8745 said:
Thats as per law... but because they can't always get the exact moment it is kicked, sometimes the images/still of their camera they're using shows the ball away from the body after a header/kick etc.
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Well yes I know that, but that's not the question that was asked or that I answered.
It's the precise reason you mention and has been detailed really well earlier in the thread that the tolerance is there and we have cited on this very forum for a long time that the process is operated with a level of precision that the technology does not allow for as the VAR doesn't have the neccesary frame rate to get the exact moment the ball is first touched.
 
bloovee said:
It's a pity VAR didn't adopt the instructions to ARs - only flag if you are certain it's offside.

Edited: This has generated reports. @bloovee I don't know how many times we have to tell you to stop digging up years old incidents to try and demonstrate some kind of injustice or bias against Man City. It stops and it stops now otherwise you will be put onto moderator preview. Consider this as a forum version of a refereeing public warning. Rather than just deleting, everyone has now seen the referee (me) give the public warning so if it happens again they will expect me (or other mods to act) 😂

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But ref.... I was showing one incident to try and demonstrate why there was a demand for VAR. This was one game where 60% of the goals should have been disallowed for offside (including City's). You've deleted what I said so no instant replay (or VAR) to see if there was "bias".😢
 
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