don't listen to other referee's, they're not your friends.
Must be cut throat other side of the Welsh border. Always happy to help out other referee's.Listen to your RDO/Observers, they want you to progress, don't listen to other referee's, they're not your friends. (And yes, I know you could say this means you shouldn't listen to me. )
Yes, I warned a bench that their side was fast approaching a sin binMy advice would be to remember that whatever happens, it's just a game of football and there will be another one next day/week.
Alot of new refs have a bad experience at a game or things don't go well and then quit. Well mistakes and poor decisions happen all the time even at the very highest level, its part of being a ref. Its not a big deal (even though it may feel it), it's just one of 100s of games you will do if you co tonue refereeing so move on and enjoy the next one.
Remember, one of the best refs in the world and the PL once gave 3 yellow cards to the same player in a World Cup ko game! Mistakes happen, don't worry about them. Learn and move on.
Yes.Seriously?
I take it you're not in the RA then?
What a strange thing to say!!
Must be cut throat other side of the Welsh border. Always happy to help out other referee's.
Yes.
I am.
It's not a strange thing really, the referees you're mingling with when you start out tend to be those who aren't going for promotion for whatever reason, or others learning the trade. Whilst you can pick up some good advice, quite often the advice can run in counter to what the Development team/observers will be recommending. And sometimes, referees can have certain ideas about how the game should be run/played that are in direct conflict with that. Listening to them, with all the good-intentions of learning, can hamper your development.
What I'm basically saying is, if it comes to it, listen to your observer/RDO over other referees, no matter how often the other refs think their way is better.
I get that (sort of).
Your statement was a bit sweeping though.
I have some good friends who are referees and certainly not in the "old fart stuck in their ways" bracket either. Listening to them and exchanging views and experiences hasn't done me any harm. You may well have found your colleagues to have been more of a hindrance to you than a help but I can assure you, you're in the minority there Rob. The existence of of the RA (and other support groups) bears testimony to that.
As for the Observer cohort - it's been discussed on here many times before that there are lots of the "old fart stuck in their ways" types out there who granted, hold the key to the box-ticking on promotions but many of them (myself included) are far from being any more an "oracle" than other experienced referees who are still getting out there at weekends.
Like I said, I get what you're driving at above but the statement "don't listen to other referee's, they're not your friends." is a bit glib and ironically, not in keeping with membership of an online refereeing forum ...
Yes, I warned a bench that their side was fast approaching a sin bin
The manager's response was, 'are you surprised?' [sic... based on my decisions]
There's no Ref in the League who wouldn't face a similar conversation from time to time. Bench's and sides will be unhappy with EVERY Ref on an occasional or reasonably frequent basis
Of course, the bench ignored my warning, did nothing to influence their players and the Sin Bin happened shortly after. Typically, the bench remained possessed by perceived injustice (from my decisions) and failed to listen or heed the warning. I don't know if the bench's testimony of my foul recognition was accurate or not. But that's largely irrelevant
A new Ref may lose ALL confidence during this normal exchange between Ref & Bench. An experienced will typically still lose SOME confidence
I doubt there are many (even very experienced) Refs who are impervious to this typical sort of exchange
Just worth pointing out this sort of stuff to a Ref facing their first game(s)
its worthy of its own thread
" Fellow referees and their contribution to your game"
whist am not 100% saying never listen , trust any other referee, am with Rob here, 75% are to be avoided.
clearly folk might be pals who are also referees, or, establish friendships after becoming referees
All any referee really cares about tho, is their game at the end of the day
def colleagues, not friends