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Opinions on the penalty given for Mitylland after the offside (seemingly correct from the image provided by BT after 15 mins)
And the Mane apparent handball then Minamimo goal?
 
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BrumRef said:
Opinions on the penalty given for Mitylland after the offside (seemingly correct from the image provided by BT after 15 mins)
And the Mane apparent handball then Minamimo goal?
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Just like the VAR in the Utd game. Bloody useless.

Man utd penalty - foul by greenwood leading up to pen and then just fell over.

Maguire punched the ball into the net.

What do we expect nowadays?

With this goal... Was the offside 'error' clear and obvious? No. Stick with the onfield call surely?
 
Both ARs had a howler on the big decisions. The penalty award is flagged for offside, the attacker is two yards on. Then the Minamino goal at the end is flagged for offside on Mane, who is well on.

The VAR review was two minutes for the first event, onside on a clear foul, the second just as bad, onside and an accidental handball in the immediate buildup, these are one look reviews, not four minutes in total.
 
Ryanj91 said:
Just like the VAR in the Utd game. Bloody useless.

Man utd penalty - foul by greenwood leading up to pen and then just fell over.

Maguire punched the ball into the net.

What do we expect nowadays?

With this goal... Was the offside 'error' clear and obvious? No. Stick with the onfield call surely?
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Agreed, that Greenwood penalty was awful, today was not even just poor by the officials just downright confusing
 
cpw1978_ said:
Both ARs had a howler on the big decisions. The penalty award is flagged for offside, the attacker is two yards on. Then the Minamino goal at the end is flagged for offside on Mane, who is well on.

The VAR review was two minutes for the first event, onside on a clear foul, the second just as bad, onside and an accidental handball in the immediate buildup, these are one look reviews, not four minutes in total.
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Ended up with 8 mins added time in the end🙈came less than 2 foot from manes head onto his and the defenders arm and then the ref signalled for an indirect free kick for a handball. I think it was the refs first game at this level I’m sure I saw a referee abroad say it was, hopefully an experience like that helps him and his team improve their use of VAR as no one knew what was going on and the decisions were explained by the tv extremely poorly and late.
 
RustyRef said:
Clear and obvious doesn't apply to offside, it is black and white you are either on or off.
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They didn't show any lines or anything to suggest it was onside. So without a camera angle that can 100% say on or off, wouldn't they just stick with the lino? Bit like Man utd at the weekend.
 
Ryanj91 said:
They didn't show any lines or anything to suggest it was onside. So without a camera angle that can 100% say on or off, wouldn't they just stick with the lino? Bit like Man utd at the weekend.
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With or without lines (some competitions use them, and some don't), the question for the VAR is whether the video conclusively shows an offside position result contrary to the call on the field. It doesn't matter if that is 6 feet or 1 millimetre--if it can be determined by the video that the AR is wrong, the call is to be reversed. (More technically, the AR is supposed to advise the R that the VAR believes it should be reversed, and it is expected that the R will take that advice. (I believe MLS in the US is the only competition in which the R goes to the monitor for these calls.)

(I'm not advocating for these micro-decisions that take too long, but that is clearly the standard in place today.)
 
Ryanj91 said:
They didn't show any lines or anything to suggest it was onside. So without a camera angle that can 100% say on or off, wouldn't they just stick with the lino? Bit like Man utd at the weekend.
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They did later on and it showed that he was fairly comfortably onside.
 
The fuss was that we weren’t shown anything that showed it was inside til about 15 mins after the goal and we were told by Peter Walton and the BT team that it was offside and that they’d still given the pen - commentary team as per causing the problem 🤣
 
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