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World Cup VAR

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Men in Black said:
World Cup in one of the most racist homophobic football violence country’s on the planet forgive me if I don’t share your positivity on FIFA spreading the love of Football worldwide.

Anyway the fact we dont have a rep is outright scandal.

I may be wrong the referees from far & wide that we have no clue about may be top drawer but I’ll reserve judgement thank you.
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How many Linos can you remember MiB?? Here's the list!!!! :D Some serious Scrabble points if you can get these in!!

Confederation Assistant referees AFC Yasser Kalil Abdulla Tulefat (Bahrain), Mohammed Al Abakry (Saudi Arabia), Taleb Al Marri (Qatar), Mohamed Alhammadi (UAE), Abdulah Alshalwai (Saudi Arabia), Mohammedreza Mansouri (Iran), Abduxamidullo Rasulov (Uzbekistan), Toru Sagara (Japan), Jakongi Saidov (Uzbekistan), Reza Sokhandan (Iran)CAF Redouane Achik (Morocco), Waleed Ahmed (Sudan), Jean Claude Birumushahu (Burundi), Djibril Camara (Senegal), Jerson Emiliano Dos Santos (Angola), Abdelhak Etchiali (Algeria), Anouar Hmila (Tunisia), Marwa Range (Kenya), El Hadji Malick Samba (Senegal), Zakhele Thusi Silewa (South Africa)CONCACAF Frank Anderson (USA), Joe Fletcher (Canada), Miguel Angel Hernandez Paredes (Mexico), Juan Carloa Mora Araya (Costa Rica), Corey Rockwell (USA), Marvin Torrentera (Mexico), Gabriel Victoria (Panama), Juan Zumba (El Salvador)CONMEBOL Carlos Astroza (Chile), Juan Pablo Belatti (Argentina), Eduardo Cardozo (Paraguay), Emerson De Carvalho (Brazil), Cristian De La Cruz (Colombia), Mauricio Espinosa (Uruguay), Alexander Guzman (Colombia), Hernan Maidana (Argentina), Christian Schiemann (Chile), Nicolas Taran (Uruguay), Marcelo Van Gasse (Brazil), Juan Zorrilla (Paraguay)OFC Bertrand Brial (New Caledonia), Simon Lount (New Zealand), Tevita Makasini (Tonga)UEFA Anton Averianov (Russia), Mark Borsch (Germany), Pau Cebrian Devis (Spain), Nicolas Danos (France), Elnenito Di Liberatore (Italy), Roberto Diaz Perez (Spain), Dalibor Djurdjevic (Serbia), Bahattin Duran (Turkey), Cyril Gringore (France), Tikhon Kalugin (Russia), Tomasz Listkiewicz (Poland), Stefan Lupp (Germany), Tarik Ongun (Turkey), Jure Praprotnik (Slovenia), Milovan Ristic (Serbia), Pawel Sokolnicki (Poland), Mauro Tonolini (Italy), Sander van Roekel (Netherlands), Robert Vukan (Slovenia), Erwin Zeinstra (Netherlands)
 
The Ref Stop
Officials are expected to command salaries relative to their roles, meaning that there will be a scale of payment.

FIFA has not confirmed the amount of the payments that will be made to the referees and assistant referees at the World Cup, but, reports online have indicated that they will receive a fee plus extras per game.

According to UOL Esporte, the most experienced and qualified referees will be paid $70,000 for their services at the World Cup with a further $3,000 per game officiated. Nice work if you can get it!!
 
Sheffields Finest said:
Officials are expected to command salaries relative to their roles, meaning that there will be a scale of payment.

FIFA has not confirmed the amount of the payments that will be made to the referees and assistant referees at the World Cup, but, reports online have indicated that they will receive a fee plus extras per game.

According to UOL Esporte, the most experienced and qualified referees will be paid $70,000 for their services at the World Cup with a further $3,000 per game officiated. Nice work if you can get it!!
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I woudnt get out of bed for less than 80k, so not for me ta.
 
CapnBloodbeard said:
So....there's going to be referee teams out there who will have VAR on the pitch, who haven't used VAR in their domestic league, is that correct?

It's actually really interesting setup - centralised location, and was it 1 VAR and 3 AVARs? I'd like to know more about their role.
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AVAR1 always watches the live match in case something happens while the rest of the team is reviewing something else.
AVAR2 is an assistant referee who focuses on offside.
AVAR3 is focusing on communication between VAR and AVAR2 and helping the VAR evaluate an incident.

Maybe a bit overkill, but it's the World Cup and it keeps the refs busy between their two matches.
 
It will be fun when the last pairs of group games kick off at the same time.. Have the VAR assistants, assistants got assistants??
 
Men in Black said:
34 different nationality’s taking charge of games, I just hope they are all fluent in one language & so is the main hub communicating with them also all fully trained up to a T on how this is gonna work, because if the ref is unsure of what is going on then good luck controlling 22 players whilst your reviewing & dealiing with raw emotion on the pitch.
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Just on this point, I do believe part of becoming a FIFA referee is passing an English test
 
alexgr said:
Just on this point, I do believe part of becoming a FIFA referee is passing an English test
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Let’s hope they are fluent as it was a genuine point I was making if you have a central hub with 3 or 4 officials comunicating to a ref on the field it could be tricky enough if u all Spk the same language let alone if your all from different country’s and you have a language barrier to overcome.

A South American in the both trying to direct a Saudi referee on the pitch could be interesting in the old accent dept.
 
Men in Black said:
Indeed let’s hope they can understand each other quickly and precisely.
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Just to be clear, your post made it sound like you thought the VAR and the 3 assistant VARs would be talking with the ref. Only the one VAR talks with the match official.

As for communication, that's why there's a set protocol. The VAR says very specific things to the referee and will avoid deviating from a set script.

"Checking for _________" means hold up the next restart
"Check complete" means continue play
"I'm recommending a review"

I know people on here want to slag the VAR system, but all of these refs have been working very hard to get on the same page for this World Cup. I think people could at least give it a chance with an open mind.
 
cwyeary said:
Just to be clear, your post made it sound like you thought the VAR and the 3 assistant VARs would be talking with the ref. Only the one VAR talks with the match official.

As for communication, that's why there's a set protocol. The VAR says very specific things to the referee and will avoid deviating from a set script.

"Checking for _________" means hold up the next restart
"Check complete" means continue play
"I'm recommending a review"

I know people on here want to slag the VAR system, but all of these refs have been working very hard to get on the same page for this World Cup. I think people could at least give it a chance with an open mind.
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I can’t go into it with an open mind i detest the idea & hope it fails miserably to prove a point that we don’t need it & dont want it, it’s the beautiful game for a reason, the raw emotion & passion is about to be sucked right out of it.

Just my opinion of course.
 
Men in Black said:
I can’t go into it with an open mind i detest the idea & hope it fails miserably to prove a point that we don’t need it & dont want it, it’s the beautiful game for a reason, the raw emotion & passion is about to be sucked right out of it.

Just my opinion of course.
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Pundits, coaches, media, and fans have made a living out of blaming referees for all of their teams problems in football. Something had to change. At least VAR will make it less likely that a referee has to get police protection because their family gets death threats when a big decision goes wrong at a major event.
 
Language won't be a problem, FIFA officials have to pass a very difficult English language exam (that I suspect many English residents would fail ..!)

We'll need to wait and see how VAR works at the World Cup.
 
cwyeary said:
Pundits, coaches, media, and fans have made a living out of blaming referees for all of their teams problems in football. Something had to change. At least VAR will make it less likely that a referee has to get police protection because their family gets death threats when a big decision goes wrong at a major event.
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Come on that’s a rare occurrence & even so VAR won’t completely stop anger and fan backlash it’s not a complete deterrent, refs will still give and not give game changing decisions that have nothing to do with VAR.

What about every single time a goal is scored the fans & players celebrate but not like they used to, the one thing we all want to see & celebrate will never be the same again as your waiting for the dreaded VAR call, you won’t be able to fully celebrate until your back in your seat & the game has kicked off again.

Check the Spurs v Rochdale highlights & the 10 VAR interventions what a complete shambles & the fact that some of the VAR calls were later proved to be inconclusive sums it up.

Oh and if the gap between grass roots & the pro game wasn’t big enough already VAR will basically mean we’re refereeing two different games.
 
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Men in Black said:
Check the Spurs v Rochdale highlights & the 10 VAR interventions what a complete shambles & the fact that some of the VAR calls were later proved to be inconclusive sums it up.
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The use of VAR in England was absolute shambles this year. The Rochdale/Spurs match was the best example of how not to use VAR. It'll get better with experience. Once referees use it enough, the amount of time it takes the VAR to check things drops dramatically. If that's all you've watched with VAR then I'm not surprised you're so against it. I watch a significant amount of MLS each week. I watched plenty of Bundesliga this past season. Once the referees use the system more than a couple times, they start to get very efficient at using it.

Either way, VAR is apart of the LOTG now. It'll be used in Italy, Spain, and Germany next year. It'll likely be used in the Premier League and the Champions League the year after that. The ship has sailed and it's not being stopped.
 
Men in Black said:
Come on that’s a rare occurrence & even so VAR won’t completely stop anger and fan backlash it’s not a complete deterrent, refs will still give and not give game changing decisions that have nothing to do with VAR.

What about every single time a goal is scored the fans & players celebrate but not like they used to, the one thing we all want to see & celebrate will never be the same again as your waiting for the dreaded VAR call.

Check the Spurs v Rochdale highlights & the 10 VAR interventions what a complete shambles & the fact that some of the VAR calls were later proved to be inconclusive sums it up.

Oh and if the gap between grass roots & the pro game wasn’t big enough already VAR will basically mean we’re refereeing two different games.
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Whole point of VAR is to get the biggest, match-changing decisions correct.

Agree, for fans it's a nightmare, it will always be in the back of your mind, what if there was something wrong with the goal.

VAR is still being implemented, shambles are to be expected in the test phase, it is far from perfect but has potential for the future.

The gap is already massive, there are loads of things the professional game has that we don't, we all follow the same book though.
 
cwyeary said:
AVAR1 always watches the live match in case something happens while the rest of the team is reviewing something else.
AVAR2 is an assistant referee who focuses on offside.
AVAR3 is focusing on communication between VAR and AVAR2 and helping the VAR evaluate an incident.

Maybe a bit overkill, but it's the World Cup and it keeps the refs busy between their two matches.
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I thought it was a dedicated team of VARs, not the referees.

This is where they're going wrong with VAR. It shouldn't be overwatch of every incident. IMO it should be on ref request only. I can't, for the life of me, imagine why we need 4 people watching the same game, on top of the 15 referees and assistants and backup referees and assistants and backup backup referees and assistants, most of which don't do a thing.

Are they still using the pointless goal line officials?
 
cwyeary said:
AVAR1 always watches the live match in case something happens while the rest of the team is reviewing something else.
AVAR2 is an assistant referee who focuses on offside.
AVAR3 is focusing on communication between VAR and AVAR2 and helping the VAR evaluate an incident.

Maybe a bit overkill, but it's the World Cup and it keeps the refs busy between their two matches.
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CapnBloodbeard said:
I thought it was a dedicated team of VARs, not the referees.
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This.

There are 13 specialist VARs appointed, that's three shifts +1. Given that outside of the last group games which there will be 2 games at a time, there will be only one game played at a time. FIFA article said 'some' CRs and ARs will be used as VARs but I would guess there wont be too many of them for both the reason above and logistical reasons (VAR room being central).
 
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