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One of those tricky ones from the LotG exams today - Green commits a trip inside the penalty area and is shown a yellow card. AR indicates fouled player was in an offside position.

A) Rescind the yellow card and restart with a penalty?
B) Rescind the yellow card and restart with an indirect free kick?
C) Keep the yellow and restart with a penalty?
D) Keep the yellow and restart with an indirect free kick?
 
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Have you given all the info from the questiin? If so then poor wording as it does not indicate what the yellow card was for. It has to be for a reckless trip or something unrelated to SPA. Can't be SPA because
- SPA is not a yellow card if ref was going to award a penalty
- if Pen was not going to be awarded then by definition it did not stop a PA

I don't think the quizzer intended to make it this complex.

Also assuming the player in offside position did not commit an offside offence. A better worded quiz question would have confirmed this assumption.

As worded, the answer should be C, but if you want to get quiz point, go A because that is what the quizzer has in mind😆


Related law is Law 11.2
In situations where:
• a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence
• an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge
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JBeil said:
One of those tricky ones from the LotG exams today - Green commits a trip inside the penalty area and is shown a yellow card. AR indicates fouled player was in an offside position.

A) Rescind the yellow card and restart with a penalty?
B) Rescind the yellow card and restart with an indirect free kick?
C) Keep the yellow and restart with a penalty?
D) Keep the yellow and restart with an indirect free kick?
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Not enough info there in what is a poorly worded question. Whether the fouled player was in an offside position is not the determining factor, given that it is not an offence to be in an offside position.

As the extract of the law quoted by @one shows, what we need to know (and what we are not told in the description contained in the question) is whether the fouled player committed an offside offence before the foul challenge occurred, or not.
 
Law 12.1
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
-trips or attempts to trip

So as everyone above has correctly identified, what was the caution issued for?

So two lines of thought:

1) Careless trip and yellow was likely awarded for DOGSO, double jeopardy (assuming there was an attempt to play the ball).
Answer with B. As No DOGSO because offside and no caution because careless.

2) Reckless trip. Penalty given and caution issued because reckless.
Answer with D. No penalty because offside and caution because reckless.
 
All 4 answers are plausible depending on the missing information. I think the Q, which I agree is poorly written if fully captured in the OP, by saying in OSP was trying to say that an OS offense had not been committed. If that’s what it means, then B and D are eliminated.

And I would guess that by putting the victim of the trip I. oSP, they are implying you should identify there not being an OGSO, which would remove the DOGSO caution.

So I would bet that the test writer was intending A as the answer. But the Q is either poorly written or not fully captured from memory as posted in the OP.
 
socal lurker said:
So I would bet that the test writer was intending A as the answer. But the Q is either poorly written or not fully captured from memory as posted in the OP.
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Agree that the test writer intended A to be the answer. What do you think he/she thought the yellow card had been given for which has to be rescinded?
 
I'm assuming this isn't the exact wording of the question/answers, and the OP has rehashed it from memory.
 
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socal lurker said:
DOGSO yellow.
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Possibility. But a big assumption to make for a player not even involved in play. Just as good as assuming it was a reckless trip. Me thinks he/she mistakingly thought it was a yellow for SPA though.

Too many unknowns.
 
bester said:
I'm assuming this isn't the exact wording of the question/answers, and the OP has rehashed it from memory.
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Tend to agree. But i also think the exact wording could hae still been somwhat incomplete. OP came here for a simple answer. Nothing on this forum is simple 😊🤣
 
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