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Last few minutes of a tight cup game away team number 15 scores and wheels away, shirt off round his head. Look over CAR flag up confirming my suspicions off side. Caution for shirt off?
This is somewhat similar to the DOGSO by handball from IFK thread we had recently.
It can't be a goal celebration if no goal, but on the other hand you're not allowed to take your shirt off (unless changing for blood injury/torn etc) so I guess it has to be. Never seen why it has to be a yellow card myself, so in this instance it would be the most apologetic yellow card I've ever issued - not great for match control either but hey ho 'Rules is rules" I suppose.
What law does that fall under? Unsporting behavior?
I've never understood why its a yellow card but at the same time, I've never understood why they take their shirts off!
Player removes his shirt whilst he is being substituted- do you caution him then?
@Paul March @UKColt Have seen footage from a professional match where a player receives a second caution as he's leaving the pitch to be substituted for removing his shirt.
Edit: Here's one -
Yes I think so. Didn't someone post an example of this on here. It was player's 2nd yellow card so team was prevented from replacing him!Player removes his shirt whilst he is being substituted- do you caution him then?
By that logic "gesturing in a provocative......way" is OK if not a goal celebration?That's really interesting.
Not sure if the laws have been altered, but I've just checked and the only place that removing the shirt is listed as a cautionable offence (or an offence at all!) is directly in the section about celebrating a goal. I've put the full section below, but I don't think the ref was justified in giving a yellow card simply because he removed his shirt (assuming that is the reason), as my reading of the laws is that it's specifically in relation to celebrating a goal where it becomes a caution.
Celebration of a goal
Players can celebrate when a goal is scored, but the celebration must not be excessive; choreographed celebrations are not encouraged and must not cause excessive time-wasting.
Leaving the field of play to celebrate a goal is not a cautionable offence but players should return as soon as possible.
A player must be cautioned for:
• climbing onto a perimeter fence
• gesturing in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way
• covering the head or face with a mask or other similar item
• removing the shirt or covering the head with the shirt
END
By that logic "gesturing in a provocative......way" is OK if not a goal celebration?
No, because that would be covered by other laws like OFFINABUS, dissent etc. Likewise, 'climbing on a perimeter fence' would be covered under leaving the field without permission if they did it at any other time (however odd that might be!)
There isn't any other law that covers removing the shirt, except in reference to celebrating a goal. Now the ref may have judged he was delaying the restart by taking his shirt off and that is what the 2nd caution is for, but there is nothing in the law that requires him to give a yellow for the removal of the shirt itself.
On the 'but it wasn't a goal' argument I'd say two things. First, if the player thinks he has scored a goal and takes his shirt off then I think it's justified to give the yellow card anyway, even if the goal is subsequently ruled out
All I've ever said is removing your shirt is not a caution in and of itself, except if done when celebrating a goal