Going to the screen “together”?

[gvu_ref]

Saw this and thought it was a fairly interesting concept. The AR would have a feel for intensity and atmosphere of the game. And surely some clout. Close stockley park in my opinion. Keep the decisions being made by those on the pitch.

 

[cwyeary]

During the development of the VAR process, it was added that an AR could be used to help judge an interfering with an opponent offside decision. But I haven't really seen it used and I'm not even sure if it's something they want to be used.

 

[gvu_ref]

During the development of the VAR process, it was added that an AR could be used to help judge an interfering with an opponent offside decision. But I haven't really seen it used and I'm not even sure if it's something they want to be used.

Every week VAR gets bashed, it’s about time referees supported referees, instead of “obeying protocols”. I honestly think it wouldn’t harm utilising the assistants that are there anyway. Stop this “I order you to go and look at the screen and overturn your decision” nonsense in the prem.

edit; I also think by bringing in a 3rd reviewer. You can then have a quick democratic vote on a decision, instead of stockley park having the upper hand.

 

[Anubis]

I pointed this out a few weeks ago on the offside Oliverr went to the screen to view
Another poster helpfully pointed out a game in Germany where the ref took the ar to the screen
if it gets the correct call, the concept is fine with me

 

[QuaverRef]

Close stockley park in my opinion. Keep the decisions being made by those on the pitch.

and who would operate VAR?

 

[gvu_ref]

and who would operate VAR?

Pretty sure the V “video” could be achieved in the stadium.. I don’t want the AR “assistant referee” that comes with it. They aren’t sat in there spotting things everyone’s missed, if it’s debatable or contentious the players/crowd let you know.

 

[one]

One question begs to be asked though. If it was a clear and obvious error to start with, do you really need your AR's collaboration to make a decision? One look and it should be a no brainer.

 

[ASM]

One question begs to be asked though. If it was a clear and obvious error to start with, do you really need your AR's collaboration to make a decision? One look and it should be a no brainer.

If the AR is to be involved it is likely that it is the subjective part of offside that is needing judgement. In that sense clear and obvious is irrelevant as VAR will have determined the offside position already.

Given that some top level refs haven’t held a flag for decades it’s reasonable that an AR can assist in using there specialism to determine the correct decision IMO.

 

[one]

If the AR is to be involved it is likely that it is the subjective part of offside that is needing judgement. In that sense clear and obvious is irrelevant as VAR will have determined the offside position already.

Given that some top level refs haven’t held a flag for decades it’s reasonable that an AR can assist in using there specialism to determine the correct decision IMO.

I beg to differ. If it is the subjective part, then it is the part that has to be clear and obviously wrong. Clear and obvious is only irrelevant for the factually part. So if the interference decision on field is not clearly and obviously wrong, it's should never go the review.

The second paragraph is a different topic which would be a moot point subject to first paragraph. It is a good debate point though. I happen to hold a different opinion to yours. It's the offside position that is almost completely left to the 'flag holders'. In terms of interference, the referee must be as good as or even better than the AR and you shouldn't have to have worked as an AR (always in line with second last defender or ball) to have an understanding of it or practice it. In fact as a referee one has to have the awareness and be ready to overrule if needed.

 

[QuaverRef]

Pretty sure the V “video” could be achieved in the stadium.. I don’t want the AR “assistant referee” that comes with it. They aren’t sat in there spotting things everyone’s missed, if it’s debatable or contentious the players/crowd let you know.

I genuinely don’t understand what you’re saying. Are you suggesting a referee just goes and watch a screen whenever he has a ‘gut feeling’ around an error because the crowd are in uproar?

 

[gvu_ref]

I genuinely don’t understand what you’re saying. Are you suggesting a referee just goes and watch a screen whenever he has a ‘gut feeling’ around an error because the crowd are in uproar?

Not far off that. It’s for clear and obvious errors, not correcting every little mistake. When a decision is questionable the body language and reaction from players is a good indicator, also in your own head you know if you’re “not sure”. The set-up of VAR at the minute doesn’t support the ref on the pitch, it just undermines them.

 

[RefIADad]

Not far off that. It’s for clear and obvious errors, not correcting every little mistake. When a decision is questionable the body language and reaction from players is a good indicator, also in your own head you know if you’re “not sure”. The set-up of VAR at the minute doesn’t support the ref on the pitch, it just undermines them.

I would much rather prefer a qualified referee looking at a video and telling me I might have made a mistake than basing my decisions to review a play based on the reaction of players who don’t understand the Laws and have a vested interest in the result.

 

[gvu_ref]

I would much rather prefer a qualified referee looking at a video and telling me I might have made a mistake than basing my decisions to review a play based on the reaction of players who don’t understand the Laws and have a vested interest in the result.

Fair enough, just a point for debate and opinions