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Unfortunately that is what the game has become players going over at the slightest touch to try and get their opponents sent off most likelyI love that after the third guy goes to ground you can see the referee just shaking his head
Sorry but I don't. He is in charge. Three simulations there and all he has done is shake his head. We have the power to stop this and unfortunately as long as top flight referees choose to 'manage' this rubbish (albeit due to pressure from above) us grassroot referees have no chance.I love that after the third guy goes to ground you can see the referee just shaking his head
Let’s be honest now, if that happened in a game you were refereeing you wouldn’t have booked any of those players for simulation especially after being on a receiving end of a push, albeit a very weak pushSorry but I don't. He is in charge. Three simulations there and all he has done is shake his head. We have the power to stop this and unfortunately as long as top flight referees choose to 'manage' this rubbish (albeit due to pressure from above) us grassroot referees have no chance.
Precisely the point I am making. I would have wanted to but would have been crucified for it if I did, by players, my FA and my RA (I would have done more than just a shake of the head though). As I said, it has to start at the top before us lowly referees have a chance.Let’s be honest now, if that happened in a game you were refereeing you wouldn’t have booked any of those players for simulation especially after being on a receiving end of a push, albeit a very weak push
I’m not sure I agree. Referee your own games as you’ve been taught in line with the LOTG and don’t worry about what happens at the top and the consequences on pitch . They almost turn a blind eye to dissent but at grassroots referees (correctly) seem a lot stricter.Precisely the point I am making. I would have wanted to but would have been crucified for it if I did, by players, my FA and my RA (I would have done more than just a shake of the head though). As I said, it has to start at the top before us lowly referees have a chance.
Good advice. Do you think there was simulation there? And what would have you done?I’m not sure I agree. Referee your own games as you’ve been taught in line with the LOTG and don’t worry about what happens at the top and the consequences on pitch . They almost turn a blind eye to dissent but at grassroots referees (correctly) seem a lot stricter.
Based on those descriptions... I could argue no for both. The action did happen so it’s definitely not simulation. Maybe it was an attempt to deceive based on exaggeration but by falling over from a push, would the referee be then making an incorrect decision? The action from the offender is still the sameGood advice. Do you think there was simulation there? And what would have you done?
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Based on those descriptions... I could argue no for both. The action did happen so it’s definitely not simulation. Maybe it was an attempt to deceive based on exaggeration but by falling over from a push, would the referee be then making an incorrect decision? The action from the offender is still the same
But the player was indeed pushed, so even if they go to ground it hasn’t ‘deceived’ the referee. It’s the same as a player rolling around screaming after being on the receiving end of a tackle, just to get up 5 seconds later. The act has happened, they’ve not tricked anyone. It’s pathetic and exaggerated yes, but they haven’t deceived anyone.I suggest your understanding of the quotes is either not accurate or influenced by this debate. This is deceiving and in this case it means simulation. Both (or it is three?) acts are clearly to get the referee to sanction the opponent. There is absolutely no reason to fall and roll and super exaggeration the small push. The fact that the referee did not do what they were deceiving him to do is irrelevant. It is a mandatory sanction.
It's the attempt to deceive that needs a yellow card. It doesn't make sense to say the referee has to yellow card the player if he has been deceived. If he is deceived then by definition he won't know he has been deceivedBut the player was indeed pushed, so even if they go to ground it hasn’t ‘deceived’ the referee. It’s the same as a player rolling around screaming after being on the receiving end of a tackle, just to get up 5 seconds later. The act has happened, they’ve not tricked anyone. It’s pathetic and exaggerated yes, but they haven’t deceived anyone.
Would we be booking Mo Salah for throwing his arms up in the air and going to ground yesterday against Cardiff, even though he was grappled? Again, exaggerated the fall but there was still an offence