Juve Vs Galatasary

[bester]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026768547884437684

 

[RustyRef]

All a bit of a farce really, and people should look at this when they complain about the standard of refereeing in the Premier League. I know that intent isn't taken into account when judging fouls and sanctions, but what could he possibly have done differently here? He's jumped for a header perfectly fairly and just landed on the opponent's leg, if that is a red card then we are saying that players are no longer allowed to jump for headers.

To them compound what was a very harsh second yellow by sending the referee for a VAR review to upgrade it to a straight red just defies belief.

 

[Gabriel]

Shambles. I think even a yellow card is a stretch there. A straight red is utterly ridiculous.

 

[ARF]

I can just about understand a referee giving a yellow for it on-field in real time, but for the VAR to say that it's an obvious missed red card, and then for the referee to watch it back and agree with him... the mind boggles.

 

[one]

Trying to understand the flip side. There is no issue with the jump and coming down after that. The issue is what LK's leg did after making the initial contact. It seems as though rather that minimising contact, or avoiding hurting the opponent, the movement of the leg maximised hurt. You don't expect to see this movement on the leg if someone is 'careful'. The point is, if a player is coming down from a jump, you'd expect the leg to be in a position to support his own body weight. There always the possibility that the studs got caught on the socks but unlikely.

I think a VAR intervention was not warranted.

 

[bester]

He moves his right leg out to widen his base so he can land safely after being nudged off balance. If he drops straight down he'd likely do his own ankle.

 

[Pembroke]

The Turkish player fouled Kelly.

 

[Paul_10]

Trying to understand the flip side. There is no issue with the jump and coming down after that. The issue is what LK's leg did after making the initial contact. It seems as though rather that minimising contact, or avoiding hurting the opponent, the movement of the leg maximised hurt. You don't expect to see this movement on the leg if someone is 'careful'. The point is, if a player is coming down from a jump, you'd expect the leg to be in a position to support his own body weight. There always the possibility that the studs got caught on the socks but unlikely.

I think a VAR intervention was not warranted.

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That's how I see it aswell, I don't think he's as innocent as people make it out to be and there does seem to be a secondary movement as he came down. No idea why VAR would get involved though because I would class it as more reckless than dangerous but it is on the back of the Achilles so that could be a factor.

It does feel a very European red card review though, unlikely VAR would get involved in the PL even if the ref just showed his first yellow card.

 

[Hilly1618]

Sorry, I am absolutely clueless as to how that can be seen as a red card offence, I’m struggling to even see it as a yellow card! A total accident.

 

[Wolf_Ref]

I can understand the yellow, as the player should make an effort to control landing better an this can be seen as reckless, especially with the slight secondary movement.

I feel the straight red is a stretch, especially for a VAR intervention.

 

[Hilly1618]

I think the very slight second movement is caused by the contact and not an effort to make the contact

 

[es1]

they're simply looking at the outcome regardless of any other factors - like using common sense perhaps?

watched the game and was virtually impossible to referee due to the constant gamesmanship / playacting / cheating (call it what you will) from Galatasaray in particular

 

[Pembroke]

That's how I see it aswell, I don't think he's as innocent as people make it out to be and there does seem to be a secondary movement as he came down.

Try running towards a ball jumping to head it without multiple movements.

 

[DavidObs]

All a bit of a farce really, and people should look at this when they complain about the standard of refereeing in the Premier League. I know that intent isn't taken into account when judging fouls and sanctions, but what could he possibly have done differently here? He's jumped for a header perfectly fairly and just landed on the opponent's leg, if that is a red card then we are saying that players are no longer allowed to jump for headers.

To them compound what was a very harsh second yellow by sending the referee for a VAR review to upgrade it to a straight red just defies belief.

Definitely agree with all of that. I have been saying to many people over a long period of time that there are some world class Referees in Europe & around the World, but few & far between & spectators should be mindful of what they wish for when they complain about PL Referees. Why on earth it had to be upgraded from a 2nd yellow to a straight red is just mind boggling.

 

[RustyRef]

Trying to understand the flip side. There is no issue with the jump and coming down after that. The issue is what LK's leg did after making the initial contact. It seems as though rather that minimising contact, or avoiding hurting the opponent, the movement of the leg maximised hurt. You don't expect to see this movement on the leg if someone is 'careful'. The point is, if a player is coming down from a jump, you'd expect the leg to be in a position to support his own body weight. There always the possibility that the studs got caught on the socks but unlikely.

I think a VAR intervention was not warranted.

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Not for me. His foot lands on the Galatasaray player’s leg which is moving away from him and he effectively “rides” the leg. Zero intent and nothing he could possibly do to avoid that contact.

 

[RefereeX]

I'm gonna stand out here and say I'm reasonably comfortable with a second caution. I don't think there was any need to pull it back for a red card as you highlight it and will really split opinion, where as people could live with seeing it cautioned on field as it's clearly a very painful one for the recipient.

 

[Pembroke]

I'm gonna stand out here and say I'm reasonably comfortable with a second caution. I don't think there was any need to pull it back for a red card as you highlight it and will really split opinion, where as people could live with seeing it cautioned on field as it's clearly a very painful one for the recipient.

How has Kelly been reckless for a yellow card?

 

[RefereeX]

How has Kelly been reckless for a yellow card?

Because he hasn't ensured he landed safely. Appreciate once he's in the air you could say he's struggling to do anything else, but there's also a reason I've never seen this before and thats that 99% of the time people don't come down how he did. I'm not saying it's a stone wall caution, I'm torn, I said I was comfortable with a 2nd yellow being given on field and I think it should have been left at that.

 

[Pembroke]

Because he hasn't ensured he landed safely. Appreciate once he's in the air you could say he's struggling to do anything else, but there's also a reason I've never seen this before and thats that 99% of the time people don't come down how he did. I'm not saying it's a stone wall caution, I'm torn, I said I was comfortable with a 2nd yellow being given on field and I think it should have been left at that.

From moment Kelly is pushed to the tenth of a second later he lands what can Kelly do differently??

 

[Paul_10]

Definitely agree with all of that. I have been saying to many people over a long period of time that there are some world class Referees in Europe & around the World, but few & far between & spectators should be mindful of what they wish for when they complain about PL Referees. Why on earth it had to be upgraded from a 2nd yellow to a straight red is just mind boggling.

I guess the flip side to that is any foreign ref that comes here will have to work within the PGMO guidance on how they want their refs to officiate so yes most refs will have to change how they officiate otherwise they won't last very long here. No doubt Gillett had to change when he first started working in the lower leagues to become the PL official that he is.

I still got a feeling there is an element of trying to leave one on the opponent here, I can understand the ref going second yellow from his viewpoint as it looks like the player just left his leg there and there appears to be a secondary movement but sending him to the screen whilst allowed in protocol does not make much sense as the ref saw it clearly and made his decision quickly. He definitely seemed reluctant to change it as he was at the monitor for a good while it seems.