Ciley Myrus
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If you make it clear its on whistle then that's it....
on whistle.
not up for debate..
on whistle.
not up for debate..
You still haven't explained why this is mandatory? If you're in a bad mood and really want to give a caution, you can use either of those options to justify it (or C4 delay of restart for that matter), but nothing in those laws states taking a FK early is a mandatory caution.It's very simple. You, the referee, have instructed the players that the kick is not to be taken until you blow the whistle.......a player decides he is going to ignore that instruction and take the kick anyway.....caution for C1 (lack of respect for the game) or C2 dissent....you choose. Got nothing to do with who gains or loses in terms of the 2 teams. The loser, if you allow it to go unpunished, will be your credibility, authority and ultimately, your match control.
You still haven't explained why this is mandatory? If you're in a bad mood and really want to give a caution, you can use either of those options to justify it (or C4 delay of restart for that matter), but nothing in those laws states taking a FK early is a mandatory caution.
So just to clarify exactly what you've written here - it's not mandatory, it's up to the referee on the day if he thinks it's necessary to maintain his match control? As I said 20 posts ago.Can you not read?
C1 - lack of respect for the game - a player clearly choosing to ignore what is a perfectly reasonable instruction from the match official and potentially causing a reaction from their opponents by trying to cheat.
C2 - Dissent - deliberately ignoring the match officials instructions.
Both represent a risk to your match control if you let it go as once players see they can do it without getting cautioned, you run the risk of it happening multiple times.....then when you do decide you've had enough and caution someone for it, they will throw the other instances where you didn't caution straight back in your face. You will appear to lack consistency.
So, I'm not saying it's mandatory under the LOTG, in terms of an infringement on FK's, but I would suggest that for your own match control (and possibly to avoid being LWR) that this should pretty much be an automatic caution in all but the most exceptional of circumstances. Circumstances that, for the moment, escape me.
Not a fan of C4, by forcing the retake they are giving more time to the defence to get organised etc etc. I suppose if they were 1-0 up and it's in the final few minutes you could make an argument for it being designed to waste some more time.
I had a similar inkling... I just had a look in the futsal laws (most recent from 2014-15 AFAIK) as I thought it might be in there but as far as I can read it's not.It certainly WAS a mandatory caution a few seasons ago, am not going to check through every book for the last few years but to best of my knowledge its no longer mandatory. (disclaimer, someone might find somewhere that says it is)
So just to clarify exactly what you've written here - it's not mandatory, it's up to the referee on the day if he thinks it's necessary to maintain his match control? As I said 20 posts ago.
Why on earth would players keep taking FKs before the whistle when you have already demonstrated that it will be a re-take whether they get booked or not?Can you not read?
C1 - lack of respect for the game - a player clearly choosing to ignore what is a perfectly reasonable instruction from the match official and potentially causing a reaction from their opponents by trying to cheat.
C2 - Dissent - deliberately ignoring the match officials instructions.
Both represent a risk to your match control if you let it go as once players see they can do it without getting cautioned, you run the risk of it happening multiple times.....then when you do decide you've had enough and caution someone for it, they will throw the other instances where you didn't caution straight back in your face. You will appear to lack consistency.
So, I'm not saying it's mandatory under the LOTG, in terms of an infringement on FK's, but I would suggest that for your own match control (and possibly to avoid being LWR) that this should pretty much be an automatic caution in all but the most exceptional of circumstances. Circumstances that, for the moment, escape me.
Not a fan of C4, by forcing the retake they are giving more time to the defence to get organised etc etc. I suppose if they were 1-0 up and it's in the final few minutes you could make an argument for it being designed to waste some more time.
Hi @GoldfishHi
Let me throw this into the mix. Nowhere in the Laws does it say that a signal is required for a free kick to be taken unlike a PK. It is in the Advice and Interpretation but not the Laws.
Also whose benefit is the whistle for? So for me the player has not heeded the instruction, he has taken the kick at goal, made a rickets of it so I am not giving him a second go after a sighter or allowing a change of plan on the kick. Anyway who is going to complain! The kicker, his team? "You took the kick, you got on with it". If he was being a smart A€&@ taking advantage of no whistle why give him another go. Different matter if the defending team is disadvantaged by the referee being in the way, unsighted, a pass, player being cautioned, spoken to out of position and opponents waiting on the whistle.
It is not one size fits all or black and white that it has to be a retake every single time.
Why on earth would players keep taking FKs before the whistle when you have already demonstrated that it will be a re-take whether they get booked or not?
If you believe that the kick is being taken to delay the re-start then you can caution for that but, beyond that, as you have said yourself, unless you believe that the player is deliberately ignoring you or clearly choosing to ignore you (rather than not hearing properly or having a mad moment) then there is no need to caution.
I would argue that's another one not making up "mandatory" cautions and choosing to manage their matches as they see fit. But if you want to be unnecessarily inflammatory, go ahead....Another one choosing to bury their head in the sand and allow players to walk all over them!
I would argue that's another one not making up "mandatory" cautions and choosing to manage their matches as they see fit. But if you want to be unnecessarily inflammatory, go ahead....
No, just someone who doesn't see players as the enemy.Another one choosing to bury their head in the sand and allow players to walk all over them!
You pretty much have...No one has made up a mandatory caution....you have chosen to interpret some precautionary advice as "making up a mandatory caution".....your bad, not mine.
I would suggest that it should be treated as a mandatory caution in order to minimise potential risk to your match control.....
And let's not forget:You pretty much have...
As others have said, if you've made it clear that it is to be "on the whistle" then it's a retake and a caution. Can put the caution down for C1 or C2. What you definitely cannot do is nothing.