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Junior/Youth Player walking away when trying to caution him

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Most of the lower leagues in grass roots football even at OA operate on a rolling subs basis, hence it is not too much of an issue there.
 
I can actually imagine, say, Ellerly standing with icicles forming on his snotters making sure the Nigerian players name is spelt out by the letter but thats about it...apart from that it sounds horrendous
 
Ciley Myrus said:
I was going to ask, without even a team line, how do you know who a named sub is?
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Even in leagues without team sheets, you would usually ask for a list of subs pre-match, but even this practice is going away with roll-on-roll-off subs. Every league I ref on either has team sheets or roll-on-roll-off (if not both), so you can certainly get away without asking for names, even if it's not exactly encouraged.
 
i agree with @GraemeS, you try to work with what you got and facilitate a football match to the best of your ability and the remit of your duties (we are not talking about LoTG here) but other common sense stuff; as long as it doesn't go against the rules of the competition/league.
 
Understood

My point is though, whats more important. Sub 14 coming on for 1 min
Or reporing the correct details of a sanction
 
At youth level in Suffolk never seen a team sheet, at OA at the level I do I always get a team sheet and crime sheet from both teams although I nver know what to do with the crime sheet as all cautions are done online.
 
Ciley Myrus said:
Understood

My point is though, whats more important. Sub 14 coming on for 1 min
Or reporing the correct details of a sanction
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I'm genuinely surprised this wasn't covered in your course - there's even a caution/sending off procedure in the LOTG which requires you to take a name. I've been told off in an observation when the observer asked who I'd booked and I replied "number 7", because the LOTG technically requires you to take a name even when you have a team sheet.
 
If I have a team sheet I will still take a name even if the player is known to me. The time it takes can help calm a situation. I thought that was basic reffing.
 
Tino Best said:
If I have a team sheet I will still take a name even if the player is known to me. The time it takes can help calm a situation. I thought that was basic reffing.
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I agree i've been taught as best practice, mandatory and the correct procedure to be followed and definitely as a way of calming things down. I picked this up from watching another referee (L3) and listening to his coach's comments. Basically along the lines of ask for the name and use it while you are issuing the YC, speaking to the player and warning them about their conduct and that they need to work with you for the remainder of the game. Building a relation and mutual respect with the players, provided the situation allows for it.
 
GraemeS said:
I'm genuinely surprised this wasn't covered in your course - there's even a caution/sending off procedure in the LOTG which requires you to take a name. I've been told off in an observation when the observer asked who I'd booked and I replied "number 7", because the LOTG technically requires you to take a name even when you have a team sheet.
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whatever works
 
GraemeS said:
I'm genuinely surprised this wasn't covered in your course - there's even a caution/sending off procedure in the LOTG which requires you to take a name. I've been told off in an observation when the observer asked who I'd booked and I replied "number 7", because the LOTG technically requires you to take a name even when you have a team sheet.
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I know that there USED to be a procedure in the LotG, but I don't recall seeing it in any recent version. Have I missed something in the 16/17 or 17/18 with the procedure?
 
most youth leagues now have no paperwork and everything is computer based. It is difficult with players with long non British type names. What I have had happen is that when asked to spell it out it is done very quickly so I have not been able to write it down as being said. second request to repeat slowly was then still too quick to get down and third request met with a sarcastically sounding extra slow spelling which I was able to write down.
 
AlexF said:
I know that there USED to be a procedure in the LotG, but I don't recall seeing it in any recent version. Have I missed something in the 16/17 or 17/18 with the procedure?
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Are you sure it used to be there? I am not aware that the LotG have ever contained a procedure for cautioning a player. The closest thing I can find was in the Laws up until the "great re-write" of 1997 and all it said was that in relation to cautions:
... the referee shall send the name of the offender to the competent authority, within the stipulated time, and in accordance with the provisions set up by the national association under whose jurisdiction the match was played.
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There was a document produced by the FA, "Advice on the application of the laws of game"...... LINK which states:

(4) Use of red and yellow cards
The Law requires referees to use these cards at all levels of the game. The mandatory use of the cards is merely a simple aid for better communication. Referees should not use either card in an aggressive or provocative manner likely to inflame an already emotive situation. Neither should the cards be used in an over-demonstrative manner, which may humiliate a player and perhaps cause him to over-react. The sequence of action approved by The Football Association and which should be followed is:

i) State that the player is being cautioned;
ii) Enquire the player’s name;
iii) Warn the player about future conduct;
iv) Show a yellow card as described above.

Obviously, a red card will be used for a dismissal, unless that dismissal is for a ‘second caution in the same match’, in which case a yellow card will be shown immediately before the red card. However, referees operating at International and some National levels have the option to show red and yellow cards immediately after offences or as above, but only in exceptional circumstances such as to defuse a possible flashpoint or to prevent an act of retaliation. If a player is about to be sent from the field of play for sending off offences 1–6, it is advisable to enquire the name prior to the sending off.

If a player commits either a cautionable or sending off offence during the half time interval or on the field of play after the final whistle, the appropriate card(s) should be shown.

Only a player or substitute or substituted player may be shown the red or yellow card. The referee has the authority to take disciplinary sanctions, as from the moment the referee enters the field of play until leaving the field of play after the final whistle.

If a named substitute commits an act of misconduct, he/she will be treated as a player, including being shown a yellow card or a red card depending on the offence. If, at a later stage in the match, a player commits a further cautionable offence, the offender shall be sent from the field of play and shown a yellow card followed by a red card. This will apply even if the player is acting as an assistant referee.

Although the Law requires a referee to show a yellow card to a player as part of the cautioning procedure, failure to do so does not mean that a caution has not been administered and the player concerned will be dealt with in accordance with the laid-down disciplinary procedures.
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As well as showing the procedure expected to be used, the underlined section also shows how we are to regard named substitutes in relation to misconduct....re the debate about managers who are named subs and subsequently dealt with for misconduct.
 
In your favourite Nordic country, home of Father Xmas, Darude, Him etc. we have team sheets for every match! Rejoice!

Our online system in the capital now tracks all players, games, goals, cards and suspensions, for all the registered leagues from 7 years old up, including hobby leagues.

Home team prints, both teams sign, the sheeeeeet prior to KO and give to us.

And there is a sliding scale of little fines if refs have to manually edit a lot of names in the system.

Reality is that further down you go, there are more pencil edits on the spot and missing numbers are added etc. Higher games and higher youth it's water tight of course, named coaching staff etc. Works well.

So, I only check a name if it's a straight red (also the victim) to be sure for the report. The problem we have is lots and lots of clubs have teams in many divisions and ages. Luckily refs do not have to and could not police this. So it is up to teams to make complaints if e.g. They think a player played in a higher league recently in the restricted time, or if they think someone is not registered or playing under another identity.
 
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Right on Sunday league games I use name and number saturdays however I just use numbers
 
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