The usual insults and conviction that all players are out to get you!Bored now.
Have explained why referee's should view this as an almost certain caution, using words like "suggest", so that even the most terminally stupid can understand (but apparently not simple enough for some) that whilst it isn't a mandatory caution in the LOTG, in terms of "safe" refereeing they will be well served in cautioning in all but the most exceptional of circumstances.
And no, "exceptional circumstances" does not mean because the players claims not to have heard you....,..since when did players suddenly become the paragons of virtue?
The usual insults and conviction that all players are out to get you!
I really don't see how not booking a player for taking a FK before the whistle despite you ordering a retake (unless it is a very clear case of dissent, delaying the restart or lack of respect) will affect your match control and induce players to continue to take FKs before the whistle. Quite the opposite I would have thought...
I've got PDFs of the Laws back to 2007 and it's not mentioned in them either as being a caution, neither precautionary nor mandatory.I've got PDFs of the laws going back to 2010 and it isn't listed in any of those as a caution, mandatory or discretionary. It is ultimately up to the referee on the day.
Hello Uncle Brian, where have you been?I've got PDFs of the Laws back to 2007 and it's not mentioned in them either as being a caution, neither precautionary nor mandatory.
I've given them out as dissent as a match control mechanism to avoid the goal being scored, before the defence is ready but ore importantly before my signalSo you don't consider completely ignoring your instruction not to take the kick until the whistle was blown to be either a lack of respect or dissent?
How about that same kick, taken despite your instruction for them to wait, slamming into the back of your head as you try to pace the wall out? Caution then? Or just laugh it off and retake?
Busy life. New job involves working anything between 8am and 8pm (max 35 a week supposedly) Monday to Saturday. Completed 7 referee observations last month, my daughter got married and I'm also the Appointments Secretary for the local Supply League. I also find time to sleep occasionally.Hello Uncle Brian, where have you been?
If I felt that someone had deliberately and wilfully ignored me, I would caution; if not I wouldn't. I certainly wouldn't treat the taking of the free kick before the whistle as a mandatory caution.So you don't consider completely ignoring your instruction not to take the kick until the whistle was blown to be either a lack of respect or dissent?
How about that same kick, taken despite your instruction for them to wait, slamming into the back of your head as you try to pace the wall out? Caution then? Or just laugh it off and retake?
If I felt that someone had deliberately and wilfully ignored me, I would caution; if not I wouldn't. I certainly wouldn't treat the taking of the free kick before the whistle as a mandatory caution.
If I felt that the ball hitting me in the back of the head had been done deliberately, I wouldn't caution I would dismiss. I'm surprised you suggest a caution...
If you can't dismiss then you can't caution for the same reason.I would be curious how you would write up a report for something which you have not seen? (yes am assuming its just you out there, no NARs etc)
"in the 59th minute I awarded a fk to Blues and after I placed the ball, and walked to the wall, the ball hit me with force on the back of the head, I turned round, Blue 8 was laughing so I think it was him who hit it and I sent him off for VC" ??
If you can't dismiss then you can't caution for the same reason.
No, I was responding to Padfoot's which said that if a ball was kicked at me would I caution or laugh it off. Obviously if I were in a position to caution I would be in a position to dismiss which I would do if I felt the ball had been kicked at me deliberately.100% correct and I have never posted words to that effect, you however, appear to have done?
So if I'm standing 2m away, blow my whistle and the ball is belted at me, it's a RC and DFK to the other team, but if I don't blow my whistle it's a RC and a retake?Ok, yes, I suppose the clue was in the title (on the whistle)! So for violent conduct, in this situation, against another player or referee that involves the actual kick or throw of the ball, that's a red card and retake?
So if I'm standing 2m away, blow my whistle and the ball is belted at me, it's a RC and DFK to the other team, but if I don't blow my whistle it's a RC and a retake?
So, if you placed the ball for a FK, started to pace out the wall, felt the ball hit your head, immediately turned round and saw one player laughing at you and no-one else anywhere near where you placed the ball seconds ago you would do nothing because you hadn't seen the ball kicked? Really?If I felt that the ball hitting me in the back of the head had been done deliberately, I wouldn't caution I would dismiss. I'm surprised you suggest a caution
sorry, am sure that was your post that I just copied and pasted. Ball, back of head, as in, your eyes (I guess) at the front, so, you wont have seen this act?