The Ref Stop

Brentford v Brighton

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ladbroke8745

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Michael Oliver gets Madley to stop the game just seconds before half time to view the monitor for a potential penalty.
Fantastic bit of refereeing there by Madley in not giving it in my opinion, not just because I'm a Bee, but in general.
Can see why VAR have asked him to go over to look but they've solely looked at the pull by Wissa, and not the whole "story" of Dunk doing it first.
Difference I guess could also be the pull by Dunk was pre corner being taken, thus game not in play, whilst the Wissa one was in play.
But Wissa wouldn't have been in that position if Dunk didn't twist/shove him around first.
 
The Ref Stop
ladbroke8745 said:
Michael Oliver gets Madley to stop the game just seconds before half time to view the monitor for a potential penalty.
Fantastic bit of refereeing there by Madley in not giving it in my opinion, not just because I'm a Bee, but in general.
Can see why VAR have asked him to go over to look but they've solely looked at the pull by Wissa, and not the whole "story" of Dunk doing it first.
Difference I guess could also be the pull by Dunk was pre corner being taken, thus game not in play, whilst the Wissa one was in play.
But Wissa wouldn't have been in that position if Dunk didn't twist/shove him around first.
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As a seagull I thought it seemed soft and was surprised Madeley was called over. Pleased as a ref to see it not given, even if my blue and white shirt version is fuming!
 
OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
As a seagull I thought it seemed soft and was surprised Madeley was called over. Pleased as a ref to see it not given, even if my blue and white shirt version is fuming!
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I will admit, I feared as he was called over that one would be given, especially with MO in VAR.
it is extremely rare that VAR calls get overruled by on field pitch once called over, and even rarer that someone rules over MO.
 
As soon as I saw the headline, expected it to be Oliver that was the ref. Was gobsmacked that not only was he not the ref, he was the VAR that got overruled!
 
Well perhaps not quite as impressive by Andy Madley as it appears as according to Dale Johnson, Michael Oliver also mentioned thr possibility of a foul before the foul for the potential penalty. It's not like the referee fully disagreed with the VAR and rejected the review. I do hope it does happen before the end of the season and it gets talked about on Howard Webb's show.
 
So what was the restart?

Does the play go back to the original foul, like when a goal is disallowed or does play just restart from the stoppage that the OFR took place in?
 
JamesL said:
So what was the restart?

Does the play go back to the original foul, like when a goal is disallowed or does play just restart from the stoppage that the OFR took place in?
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Restart was a GK if I recall correctly (was listening to BBC Sussex and only saw a clip on Xitter). Which seems correct, initial foul from Dunk was before ball was in play and that caused the potential foul contact from Wissa with the ball IN PLAY. Therefore you ignore both in terms of restart since Dunks foul makes Wissa's contact not a penalty and then the ball goes out for a GK?

Sorry if that's nebulous, running on coffee and delayed train rage this morning
 
OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
Restart was a GK if I recall correctly (was listening to BBC Sussex and only saw a clip on Xitter). Which seems correct, initial foul from Dunk was before ball was in play and that caused the potential foul contact from Wissa with the ball IN PLAY. Therefore you ignore both in terms of restart since Dunks foul makes Wissa's contact not a penalty and then the ball goes out for a GK?

Sorry if that's nebulous, running on coffee and delayed train rage this morning
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Sorry I haven't actually seen this incident. That to me sounds like OFR declined recommendation then. If foul 1 happens with ball out of play then that is not a reason to not award the penalty, so he must have arrived at no pen at the monitor?
 
JamesL said:
Sorry I haven't actually seen this incident. That to me sounds like OFR declined recommendation then. If foul 1 happens with ball out of play then that is not a reason to not award the penalty, so he must have arrived at no pen at the monitor?
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Not necessarily. If the contact prior to the ball being in play causes the contact after the ball is in play then it could change the latter contact from Careless to NFC (Normal Football Contact)?
 
JamesL said:
Sorry I haven't actually seen this incident. That to me sounds like OFR declined recommendation then. If foul 1 happens with ball out of play then that is not a reason to not award the penalty, so he must have arrived at no pen at the monitor?
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Yes sorry no pen at the monitor, thought you meant the restart now he hasn't given the pen.

So corner is played in as/after Dunk pulls Wissa, Wissa then pulls Dunk as a result of Dunk's pulling. So Either you argue NFC or Dunk fouled first so you punish the first offence if you are going to punish. I am assuming they treated it as NFC because they're both at it. Ball then goes out for a GK (iirc) and then Madley is asked to take a look at the pulling. So a GK restart rather than taking it back to the corner.
 
I think what James was getting at initially is that the original post implies that Madley actually stopped the game for the purpose of the review.
 
OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
Yes sorry no pen at the monitor, thought you meant the restart now he hasn't given the pen.

So corner is played in as/after Dunk pulls Wissa, Wissa then pulls Dunk as a result of Dunk's pulling. So Either you argue NFC or Dunk fouled first so you punish the first offence if you are going to punish. I am assuming they treated it as NFC because they're both at it. Ball then goes out for a GK (iirc) and then Madley is asked to take a look at the pulling. So a GK restart rather than taking it back to the corner.
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Ball was still in play for about 30 seconds. Think he actually delayed blowing for half time purely on the basis that MO was reviewing. Think he actually stopped play with the ball outside the area, with Brentford in possession.
Think he restarted with a dropped ball to the keeper and then immediately blew for half time.
 
ladbroke8745 said:
Ball was still in play for about 30 seconds. Think he actually delayed blowing for half time purely on the basis that MO was reviewing. Think he actually stopped play with the ball outside the area, with Brentford in possession.
Think he restarted with a dropped ball to the keeper and then immediately blew for half time.
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This.
I happened to turn over to see this and it was great that he rejected the pen. I also recall DB restart.
 
Restart should be a free kick, and they should roll back the clock to the time of the incident?
 
bester said:
Restart should be a free kick, and they should roll back the clock to the time of the incident?
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I've always thought if you're bringing something back that happened earlier, the clock should be rolled back. You've potentially lost time playing on, and on, before stopping.
However, in this situation, I do honestly believe he would have blown up within seconds anyway and only continued as VAR asked him to as they were checking.
I remember a situation before, Manchester United I think, where the referee ended the game. Then went back and gave a penalty meaning everyone had to stay/come back to take it.
 
ladbroke8745 said:
I've always thought if you're bringing something back that happened earlier, the clock should be rolled back. You've potentially lost time playing on, and on, before stopping.
However, in this situation, I do honestly believe he would have blown up within seconds anyway and only continued as VAR asked him to as they were checking.
I remember a situation before, Manchester United I think, where the referee ended the game. Then went back and gave a penalty meaning everyone had to stay/come back to take it.
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It was Brighton vs Manchester United, Chris Kavanagh blew for full time and then went back for the pen. Playing on saves the hassle.
 
OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
Pain and suffering as a brighton fan but a correct call and actually kind of what VAR is for, even if it seemed farcical
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Absolutely the correct call. The only small issue with being a ref means I'm always conflicted when I go to Molineux to see Wolves play. I want to scream at the ref with everyone else but I can't because I know it's the right call (unless it's Michael Salisbury vs Leeds with that shirt pull).
 
Gabriel said:
Absolutely the correct call. The only small issue with being a ref means I'm always conflicted when I go to Molineux to see Wolves play. I want to scream at the ref with everyone else but I can't because I know it's the right call (unless it's Michael Salisbury vs Leeds with that shirt pull).
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Oh I’m the same, still partial to a cry of “ref!” Whenever a Brighton player goes down 😂 I figure as long as I don’t join in with shouts of ****er and applaud the very good calls then it’s okay
 
OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
Oh I’m the same, still partial to a cry of “ref!” Whenever a Brighton player goes down 😂 I figure as long as I don’t join in with shouts of ****er and applaud the very good calls then it’s okay
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Yeah I get that. I saw an interview with MO once and he said he still shouts all of those things. I remember Mike Dean saying the same. It's part of being a fan I suppose.
 
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