Imagine the furore if Iran had taken the last minute chance which hit the side netting. Bye bye Ronnie and his cohorts!
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Nah, just my humble opinion. I reckon FIFA are just generally bad at finding a the perfect mix between sticking to the laws and creating a spectacle for the supporters. Also, I do like VAR, but I can see why others don't
Dear all,
For those who felt at kick-off the referee looked the part, please apolgise to the forum....
That was the worst refereeing performance at a WC since the 1990 final between Germany and Argentina, when the referee was a relative of the Referees Committee Chairman. Both the referee and VAR need to be on a plane home now - #end of fifa career.
In fact, it was worse than Poll 3 card trick, Lampard non-goal, Schumacher’s reckless shoulder charge - god there has been some bad performances....
Ciley Myrus
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Am still unsure as to how Ronaldo could be cautioned. His incident was surely reviwed as potential violent conduct. If he is guilty of vc its a red. Given no red was shown, am assuming the ref did not find Ronaldo guilty of vc. So how, given var is not used for giving yc in the protocol, can he then be cautioned?
Its like going to court on a drink driving charge, having it throen out, but then the police allege at random that you had your music too loud when they stopped you
Its like going to court on a drink driving charge, having it throen out, but then the police allege at random that you had your music too loud when they stopped you
You already answered your own question - idiots
Offer your services as adviser to Portugal and appeal the YC on the grounds of ?????
Ciley Myrus
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On the grounds VAR is not used in the protocol to review/issue yellows?
Ciley Myrus
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Guys in ear shout to ref, Oi ref, var here, maybe missed some VC there, take a swatch
Ref stops game, takes a swatch, decides no vc .
Case surely closed
Ref stops game, takes a swatch, decides no vc .
Case surely closed
My point is that the issue isn't with the process. The process works. It's the referees making the decision who are getting it wrong.
VAR itself is a fantastic idea but the problems are being caused by human error. The human error is refereeing decisions which exist with or without VAR
Put it this way.... a penalty is given correctly via VAR in one game, but another is given incorrectly the next game. The VAR process is identical for both incidents but only one factor has changed and that's the person using it
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Or because the officials different understanding of what the process is because they have been inadequately documented or not trained properly. The process is a part of a larger system which is flawed.
Just like on the field, it's easier to blame the officials. FIFA should take accountability for this.
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Indeed all down to interpretation no matter how many cameras or replays.
I think we are way off having a protocol that is remotely viable.
That's an assumption based on nothing bar speculation. We don't know the level of training or whats been documented for each referee using the process but lets face it, that handball isn't a process problem, it's a bad decision.
Exactly right. Refereeing in many ways is down to the personal opinion of the referee on the night. Having VAR gives referees more of a fighting chance of getting it correct. Lets face it, pro referees are likely to make more correct decisions if they get to sit and watch the various replays and angles we use to sit and judge them but nothing will be 100% accurate, it'll just increase the probability of being correct
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Correct partly assumption but an educated one. Surly adequate training will lead to the same officials interpreting and acting in a consistent way on similar incidents. Yet by on your own post you say they haven't been. These are world class referees who know a thing or two to get to the world cup not the your first year Sunday league referees.
On the documentation of the process, that's not assumption. The protocol is there for everyone to see. "Clear and obvious' (which is subjective) is a cornerstone of VAR and one that has been causing a lot of issues. How much documentation can you see on its definition/determination? Compare that to what a foul is, offside, DOGSO which are all subjective and the LOTG has quite a bit of guidelines on determining them.
Yampy
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You can't eliminate human error so, why have VAR in the first place? VAR is management by committee, a politbureau of referees not an advancement in useful technology. GLT, yes but VAR, no.
Any VAR process will only be of benefit to football if it is controlled by AI. Until that is in place, VAR will only be an inconsistent hindrance.
VAR won't be the death of football but it'll merely hasten its demise. Keep it simple otherwise, the only FIFA people will remember is from EA Sports. 2026 could well be the FIFA jamboree swansong because the real power in the game lies with UEFA and it's tenuous grip on the powerful club elite. And that's only a matter of time before UEFA loses that hold.
Peter Grove
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That is allowable according to the protocol. A VAR review cannot be initiated for a cautionable offence but if a red card review then shows what the referee judges to be a yellow card, they can give it.
I thought we already had this discussion. The VAR protocol does not allow penalty encroachment to be reviewed unless:
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Ciley Myrus
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^^^ thanks, I serious was unaware of that, , its logical but I just thought the process was review for VC end of. ^^
Although, say he reviews the CR7 incident, and whilst watching it, it shows an off the ball trip involving 2 other players, can that offender get a card?
or, CR7 deliberatly handed the ball just before the arm clash incident, can he be cautioned for handball?
can of worms?
Although, say he reviews the CR7 incident, and whilst watching it, it shows an off the ball trip involving 2 other players, can that offender get a card?
or, CR7 deliberatly handed the ball just before the arm clash incident, can he be cautioned for handball?
can of worms?
Peter Grove
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No to both of those, unless either of the other offences was a potential red card offence (in which case they should have been recommended for a separate review anyway) because otherwise they are not in the 4 categories of reviewable incidents.
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