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Working with new AR

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SM

The avuncular one
anyone got any helpful tips for working with NARs who you will be working with for the first time (outside of the usual stuff about contacting early and arranging travel details etc)? Not looking for briefing specifics, already have a solid pre match briefing which I have been using for the past 12 months.

its going to happen as you start the attempted climb up the greasy pole :) what have people found useful in creating a good working relationship with previously unknown team mate officials?
 
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I can only talk as being an AR but I've noticed that I like the following;

1. Banter!

I want it to be fun, so if you ring ME up then I want you to have a laugh with me. Few jokes never go amiss!

If you're working with 'Serious Steve' then he'd take an interest in knowing that the home team have scored 8 goals from corners this season and that the groundsman is 63 years old and uses the same seed blend for the last 38 years.

2. Level Playing Field

I want to know that you don't consider me your 'bitch' and that you value my attendance. Same goes for when considering who is Senior AR and who's not. Everyone should have the same value.

3. Refreshments

Sweets are obligatory! Drinks make you a hero (despite my thread from last week!). Little touches matter!

4. Staying after?

Find out whether they want to stay after! Sometimes people just wanna get home! I will pretty much always need to get to work - which saves the referee the cost of a pint!

5. Dissent

If they call you over back them up (never happened to me but you always see it on here)

6. Transport

If someone is going to struggle to get there try help them
 
speaking, again, from an AR point of view ... id have to agree with most of what Darius has said! my referee at the weekend brought no drinks, barely spoke, didn't back me up with a sending off when I was called a 'cheating c**t' and then impatiently hung around until he got his match fee and took off, whilst me and the other AR hung about after socialising with the teams
 
Get everyone there early and have a good 10 minutes "nonsense" chat where you just get to know each other.

Not sure I agree on the seniority piece from @Darius, the AR who is highest level gets to go as senior every time, although I do offer them the chance to agree amongst themselves depending on the situation (i.e. end of season and the lower AR wants to get some more experience and the senior AR is in agreement). In most I my games I have a L6 and an L7 as AR, the L7 (just like I did) is serving his apprenticeship for one season. Next season he'll be the senior.
 
Very good advice chaps. Hadn't thought of it from that perspective.

The sweet and drinks thing is not something I come across ever in wales, but will adopt it!
 
I would definitely encourage the 'taking their advice' thing though... nothing more disheartening than when you advise the referee on something he hasn't seen, tell him what happened and how you feel it should be dealt with and then they do their own thing anyway!

if im told by NAR that it is a red, then by golly im giving a red
 
Darius said:
I meant when for example both are L6.
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So the logical thing is to determine if one or both are on the promotion scheme this year. Then give the senior line to one who is going for promo. If both are equal, just let them choose between themselves - you'll be surprised how many ARs want to avoid being bench side.
 
Charlie Jones said:
I would definitely encourage the 'taking their advice' thing though... nothing more disheartening than when you advise the referee on something he hasn't seen, tell him what happened and how you feel it should be dealt with and then they do their own thing anyway!

if im told by NAR that it is a red, then by golly im giving a red
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And that is the wrong way to approach it. Let the AR call you over and then you make the decision, it's the only way to maintain consistency throughout the game.
 
I disagree ... if you have failed to see something/hear something that has been picked up by the AR ... how can you come to a decision different to that of the AR (whom is also a qualified ref) ?
 
Imagine you get called over by an AR who tells you he flagged for offside and then says he saw Player X shake his head and then say "bloody hell lino, keep up, I was 2 yards on". He calls you over and demand s the player is sent off.

You'd go with that? This was a real situation for me last season.
 
Monotone Whistle said:
Get everyone there early and have a good 10 minutes "nonsense" chat where you just get to know each other.

Not sure I agree on the seniority piece from @Darius, the AR who is highest level gets to go as senior every time, although I do offer them the chance to agree amongst themselves depending on the situation (i.e. end of season and the lower AR wants to get some more experience and the senior AR is in agreement). In most I my games I have a L6 and an L7 as AR, the L7 (just like I did) is serving his apprenticeship for one season. Next season he'll be the senior.
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Two points out of this:
1. the higher level / more experienced is always the senior NAR is case of replacement;
2. That does not mean they automatically do the benches, that is referees' choice.
 
SM said:
anyone got any helpful tips for working with NARs who you will be working with for the first time (outside of the usual stuff about contacting early and arranging travel details etc)? Not looking for briefing specifics, already have a solid pre match briefing which I have been using for the past 12 months.

its going to happen as you start the attempted climb up the greasy pole :) what have people found useful in creating a good working relationship with previously unknown team mate officials?
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Their level of experience - could be young and first few matches or old and hagged. You will need to take account of this in the PMI as they both require different advice.
 
A bit of technique advice I always pass on to new/young and also some more experienced Referees is Something I was told by a Level 3 I ran a line for in my first season .
When Flagging always keep your index finger outstretched behind your flag ( imitating a gun ) if that makes sense ......:confused:

This guarantees that your flag will always be a straight extension of your arm .

The amount of referees I see, who when they flag it goes at 45 degrees or further behind where it should be is surprising.
Problem is you do not realise you are doing it unless someone points it out to you or you have a look at what position your flag is actually in when you extend .
Give it a try , works every time once you get in the habit , and looks so much more professional.;)
 
In my county it seems the norm to allow your ARs to be screamed at from 40 yards and do nothing.
Don't want any soft cautions now do we? :rolleyes:
 
SM said:
Very good advice chaps. Hadn't thought of it from that perspective.

The sweet and drinks thing is not something I come across ever in wales, but will adopt it!
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If you work with me at some point you'll get sweets and drinks :D
 
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