Referee gets pushed
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Bin the £&@£, next! 
I would like to see this sort of challenge red carded straight away. For me it is dangerous and excessive. Players shouldn't have to play in fear of being tackled like that. However, put this up in front of the Local RA and they'll be some red, more yellow and some arguing for no card and stepped approach. The higher level ref will probably yellow. I'll be sending off on a Sunday.
Had one last Sunday which was similar but part ball, part player which I yellowed. Dissent whilst showing card led to sin bin which a second later led to OFFINABUS and red. Possibly should have shown red to begin with and saved time.
The push is unacceptable and the CRDO would say red. Probably yellow in the EPL but I don't want to let players think they can push me or any other grassroots ref so I'd go red.
Had one last Sunday which was similar but part ball, part player which I yellowed. Dissent whilst showing card led to sin bin which a second later led to OFFINABUS and red. Possibly should have shown red to begin with and saved time.
The push is unacceptable and the CRDO would say red. Probably yellow in the EPL but I don't want to let players think they can push me or any other grassroots ref so I'd go red.
I’ve gone nose to nose with quite a few Neanderthals but they never crossed the line like that!
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red-red
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Omg red
A push is a red. Else where do you draw the line.
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Maybe. But IMHO, there is a really bright line that should be firmly established and universally maintained: push a ref and you're done. No ifs, ands, or buts. Bright line. (And it doesn't matter if the ref thinks he or she might have missed the call causing the confrontation.)
And it's not impossible or improbable. In the US, that's basically the NBA rule, and the players know it. Magic Johnson famously got ejected for lightly bumping the ref while protesting. He walked off the court saying he didn't touch him (and probably believed it in the heat of the moment). He watched the video in the locker room, saw that he actually bumped the ref, and agreed he had to be tossed--because the expectation was crystal clear. That's what soccer needs: a crystal clear, no exceptions, absolute standard about contact with the ref (or other official). I don't do games any anything near the level of the game at issue, but any game I do, a player or coach who pushes me (even much more lightly that than) is done. Period. The only question is whether the game is also terminated.
Fully agree
Why isn't their something in Law which specifically rules over contact with the Match Officials?
I'm mindful that this would be way short of violent conduct if it was between any other individuals. This lends me to assert that VC is not really supported in this instance even though we're unanimous that it should be a dismissal
I'm mindful that this would be way short of violent conduct if it was between any other individuals. This lends me to assert that VC is not really supported in this instance even though we're unanimous that it should be a dismissal
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Disagree. Violent conduct includes "excessive force." Since the acceptable amount of force against an official is zero, that means that any amount of force against the official is excessive. And I think the game has long recognized this.
My post was more of a question than a statement
Why doesn't the book state your statement? What one person considers obvious, another may not
It's perhaps not mentioned to mask the fact that offences/assaults against MO's happen
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Tin foil hat making you itchy? I don' think there is any conspiracy here. the laws have actually been getting more clear about officials (becoming a DFK for physical acts against an official) not less. The Laws traditionally were general. The tool was there to send off miscreants. And I doubt anyone has ever seriously argued against a send off for physicality against an official--changes only happen when someone thinks it is needed and takes the effort to make a proposal. Has the world changed enough that we need to spell it out more clearly in the LOTG? Maybe--but more because of the (in my opinion misguided) effort to cram every little thing in there than that refs don't have the tools they need now. The idea that anyone is trying to mask something by not having a new law is just plain silly.
For me the challenge should have been red.
I'm just not sure there is anywhere near enough force on the push there to say it was VC. Perhaps the laws should be rewritten to say any intentional contact on a referee is a red card, but as it stands it has to be VC, and by definition that means using attempting to use or using excessive force or brutality. I'm just not seeing that here if I am being perfectly honest. I can't help thinking that with this being a televised game the referee would have been in hot water had she sent off for it.
I'm just not sure there is anywhere near enough force on the push there to say it was VC. Perhaps the laws should be rewritten to say any intentional contact on a referee is a red card, but as it stands it has to be VC, and by definition that means using attempting to use or using excessive force or brutality. I'm just not seeing that here if I am being perfectly honest. I can't help thinking that with this being a televised game the referee would have been in hot water had she sent off for it.
Similar. Initially thinking obvious red, but then reconsidering. Was the push an act of aggression or just an attempt to command attention?
The tackle was black and white and red all over, but the push has faded to light shade of orange (with reflection)