Comes down now to which independent appeal committee they get at Wembley for the hearing. Having had first hand experience of Wembley appeal hearings it is at best variable. For the last one I went to one of the (very) elderly gentlemen on the panel kept falling asleep and when I queried this I was told "yes, that happens all of the time". In fairness that was with the old system of council members sitting on hearings, hopefully now it is independent panels it will be better, but I'm not holding my breath.