yup, i appreciate that and in fact theres a lot of clumsy looking, nay downright ugly, throws that i dont penalise because of my appreciation of that fact.
in that clip though it does look like Casillas drops the ball once it gets in front of his face, which is why i would agree with the ref on that occasion
So could you define what "throws the ball from behind and over the head" means for the 1%?Working on the assumption that me and 99% of the footballing world are right and releasing a throw in front of the face is a foul throw.
So could you define what "throws the ball from behind and over the head" means for the 1%?
Just remember that this is the shiny new law, not the dull tarnished old one which uses the word "deliver" instead of "throw".
Drastically alters the mechanics of the simple throw in....as now it would appear that you have to release the ball behind the head in order to be compliant????
And for the sake of balance/continuing this argument, I feel obliged to point out that it's perfectly logical to consider "delivered" and "released" as synonyms in this context.Just remember that this is the shiny new law, not the dull tarnished old one which uses the word "deliver" instead of "throw".
Drastically alters the mechanics of the simple throw in....as now it would appear that you have to release the ball behind the head in order to be compliant????
For me, the criteria are: player takes throw roughly from where the ball went out; are both feet on the ground, on or behind the line, at the point of release; did the throwing action start from behind the head, and was the ball thrown? It doesn't matter how ugly the throw is otherwise, and as I have often said to players/teams/managers etc, just because it is an ugly throw, doesn't mean it's a foul throw.
Look, under the new LotG, the ball doesn't even have to move forwards any more at kick-off. Let's not get too worked up as to whether a ball was released at 90 degrees, or 95 degrees from the horizontal during a throw-in.
you mean , take it that the law was phrased with the assumption that we are rational human beings, and able to apply a modicum of common sense to it... yeah i like thatFor me, the criteria are: player takes throw roughly from where the ball went out; are both feet on the ground, on or behind the line, at the point of release; did the throwing action start from behind the head, and was the ball thrown? It doesn't matter how ugly the throw is otherwise, and as I have often said to players/teams/managers etc, just because it is an ugly throw, doesn't mean it's a foul throw.
Look, under the new LotG, the ball doesn't even have to move forwards any more at kick-off. Let's not get too worked up as to whether a ball was released at 90 degrees, or 95 degrees from the horizontal during a throw-in.
I gave what I thought was a pretty obvious foul throw in a match, mentioned it on here in passing and then it all seemed to go a bit mad.....It's a throw in. Nobody should care as much as you guys do.
Passion eh?
Just remember that this is the shiny new law, not the dull tarnished old one which uses the word "deliver" instead of "throw".
Drastically alters the mechanics of the simple throw in....as now it would appear that you have to release the ball behind the head in order to be compliant????
Actually, the reason why it all went 'a bit mad' is that many refs, myself included, get mind numbingly bored with the frequency of appeals from players for foul throws. When the throws being questioned have in fact just been slightly unusual / ugly. And we can only surmise that the reason players appeal so much is because other referees penalise such throws, thus perpetuating the problem. And there's no escaping it .. because it's by far the most common restart in every single game. So, the sooner we can all agree (thus giving players their much sought after 'consistency') the better for all concerned ,,,,I gave what I thought was a pretty obvious foul throw in a match, mentioned it on here in passing and then it all seemed to go a bit mad.....
F**s sake, I'm sick of this discussion now.
Complain to my assessor who didn't comment on my decision to give this foul throw and the players on the pitch who argued less than any other decision I gave. Complain to your local FA who train new referees and don't discuss this in the way you seem to have decided is appropriate. Complain to the FA for not publicly criticising it's referees for giving foul throws you disagree with. And finally FIFA and those who write the laws while you're at it. Just stop moaning at me for following the same convention that 99% of other referees in the world go along with.
At the very least, accept that you're the ones with the novel interpretation of this law! I for one am comfortable with the decision I gave and will continue to apply the same consistent standards until an actual qualified and appointed assessor tells me otherwise. Got a problem with that? Couldn't care less any more.
**looks for hand grenade emoticon**F**s sake, I'm sick of this discussion now.
Complain to my assessor who didn't comment on my decision to give this foul throw and the players on the pitch who argued less than any other decision I gave. Complain to your local FA who train new referees and don't discuss this in the way you seem to have decided is appropriate. Complain to the FA for not publicly criticising it's referees for giving foul throws you disagree with. And finally FIFA and those who write the laws while you're at it. Just stop moaning at me for following the same convention that 99% of other referees in the world go along with.
At the very least, accept that you're the ones with the novel interpretation of this law! I for one am comfortable with the decision I gave and will continue to apply the same consistent standards until an actual qualified and appointed assessor tells me otherwise. Got a problem with that? Couldn't care less any more.